Going around what to do?

"Kyle Boatright" wrote:


"Rachel" wrote in message
...
Chris G. wrote:
Sorry, I don't fly over the same runway when another aircraft could be
right below me, or that I could run into it. ATC would be quite okay
with you sidestepping.

ATC is usually not ok with you doing something unless they've told you to
do it or they know you're going to do it.

True, but ATC isn't likely to suffer the ultimate price should there be a
mid-air collision. I'm announcing intentions and keeping the rogue aircraft
in sight. If ATC has a problem with that, we can sort it out later.

KB

I agree. Be safe and if they want to scream and yell at least
everyone is alive to vent.

Ron Lee

ORVAL FAIRAIRN wrote:

In article 9hyGf.763279$_o.354991@attbi_s71,
"Jay Honeck" wrote:

How would you say the intentions though?

"Too close for missiles...switching to guns."

I had that happen to me one day I was #3 in a 3-ship returning. #2 went
around to clear #1, while an Apache was waiting in the runup area.

Just as I was about to turn short base-to-final, the Apache took the
runway. I radioed, "Apache, what are you doing?" Apache: "Taking off."

I was tempted to slip down and stick my wingtip in his lap but put
discretion ahead of valor.

Do you fly a RV?

Ron Lee

Ron Lee wrote:


I agree. Be safe and if they want to scream and yell at least
everyone is alive to vent.

I've heard the saying: "Be alive at the hearing."

TaxSrv wrote:

"Newps "wrote:

How much room will there be as the Cessna rolls down the runway? If he
leaves me about 1000 feet I'm landing.


What if the Cessna rolls a bit and aborts? Mechanical problem. Forgot his
Jepps.

That's why I want about a 1000 feet. I only need half that.

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:

"Newps" wrote in message
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Nik wrote:

What would you do in the following situtation:

You are approaching a non towered field, communicate right and all that
stuff, your on final, suddenly a cessna pulls up and starts it's take
off roll.

How much room will there be as the Cessna rolls down the runway? If he
leaves me about 1000 feet I'm landing.



And what happens if he aborts his takeoff and stops?

Then there will be two of us on the runway. Big deal.

Let me add.

If you go around you clear the R/W ASAP. No if's, and's or but's.

Been the rule for years.

Big John
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On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 23:45:53 -0500, Roy Smith wrote:

In article ,
"Dave Stadt" wrote:

"TaxSrv" wrote in message
...
"Newps "wrote:

How much room will there be as the Cessna rolls down the runway? If he
leaves me about 1000 feet I'm landing.

What if the Cessna rolls a bit and aborts? Mechanical problem. Forgot
his
Jepps.

Fred F.

Then go around. Chances are if he aborts he will be off the runway before
you touchdown.

And even if he's not, landing behind him may still be the safest thing. If
the other guy is on the runway in front of me, I can see him and know
exactly where he is. If I go-around, there's a pretty good chance I'll
lose sight of him (especially if I'm flying a low-wing).

Most of the things most of us fly can be stopped in under 1000 feet. There
just aren't that many scenarios where a guy starts rolling and then stops
leaving me less than 1000 feet behind him. And even in that case, I can
probably do a high-speed turn off into the grass with little or no damage.

In article ,
(Ron Lee) wrote:

ORVAL FAIRAIRN wrote:

In article 9hyGf.763279$_o.354991@attbi_s71,
"Jay Honeck" wrote:

How would you say the intentions though?

"Too close for missiles...switching to guns."

I had that happen to me one day I was #3 in a 3-ship returning. #2 went
around to clear #1, while an Apache was waiting in the runup area.

Just as I was about to turn short base-to-final, the Apache took the
runway. I radioed, "Apache, what are you doing?" Apache: "Taking off."

I was tempted to slip down and stick my wingtip in his lap but put
discretion ahead of valor.

Do you fly a RV?

Ron Lee

Nope -- Johnson Rocket

"Bela P. Havasreti" wrote in message
...

Maybe so,


There's no "maybe" about it. The Pilot/Controller Glossary was compiled to
promote a common understanding of the terms used in the Air Traffic Control
system. The instruction "Go Around" is defined as:

"Instructions for a pilot to abandon his/her approach to landing. Additional
instructions may follow. Unless otherwise advised by ATC, a VFR aircraft or
an aircraft conducting visual approach should overfly the runway while
climbing to traffic pattern altitude and enter the traffic pattern via the
crosswind leg. A pilot on an IFR flight plan making an instrument approach
should execute the published missed approach procedure or proceed as
instructed by ATC; e.g., "Go around" (additional instructions if required)."



but the pilot in command is the ultimate authority for
the safety of the flight....


"The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for, and is the
final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft." Authority and
responsibility go hand-in-hand. So if you're instructed to overfly the
runway while climbing to traffic pattern altitude, but instead use your PIC
authority and begin a climbing turn to the right and collide with an
aircraft on downwind, you're responsible for all damages, injuries, and
lives lost.



For what it's worth, I'd only side-step if I didn't like what I saw
below and in front of me. Letting ATC know what I was doing
would of course be a polite thing to do!


It would also make any potential enforcement action of your violation of FAR
91.123(b) easier.

"darthpup" wrote in message
oups.com...

Keep the fool in sight and stay out of his way. ATC is on the ground,
you are in the air inside a whole lot of expensive hardware.


The guy on downwind that you just turned towards is also in the air inside a
whole lot of expensive hardware. Safety is not generally enhanced by acting
contrary to ATC instructions.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
hlink.net...


"The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for, and is
the
final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft." Authority and
responsibility go hand-in-hand. So if you're instructed to overfly the
runway while climbing to traffic pattern altitude, but instead use your
PIC
authority and begin a climbing turn to the right and collide with an
aircraft on downwind, you're responsible for all damages, injuries, and
lives lost.


It would also make any potential enforcement action of your violation of
FAR
91.123(b) easier.


And if you follow ATC instructions and the departing aircraft collides with
you you are still at fault for not seeing and avoiding and you are still
dead.