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We've got Mesa out here now flying the RJ's to Phoenix and Vegas. Haven't
had any goofy requests like that. I'll have to watch that. "SeeAndAvoid" wrote in message nk.net... My guess of what he may mean here is this ridiculous request for a, and I quote, "VMC Climb" that so many, mostly Air Shuttle (Mesa), pilots keep asking for. What they want is a VFR climb for terrain, but not provide their own separation from traffic. They have been told repeatedly on freq about it, they have been made to call in about it, and their ops have been called about it to knock it off. You want to provide your own terrain separation, great, you want a VFR climb, great. But there's no such clearance as a "VMC Climb" clearance. I ignore it, and just say "climb VFR to and maintain 17,000". If they say, or I ask if they can provide their own terrain and obstacle clearance, it doesn't have to be restated in the clearance, like "cleared to soandso as filed, provide your own terrain and obstruction clearance and climb and..." no way jose. One last point on this IFR climb while providing own terrain clearance, this guy (Mesa again) didnt like it that I wouldnt give him approval to do just that the other day. The problem was he wanted an IFR clearance and provide terrain separation but wanted an altitude 1,000' BELOW my MIA, and the terrain only got higher the further he went. He wouldnt accept an OTP clearance, and sure wouldnt go VFR, and unless someone can find it somewhere, we cant assign an altitude like that in this situation. I know our MIA's are not readily accesible to pilots, but he was also below the MEA of a nearby airway, and even lower than the transition from the VOR to the ILS he was overflying. Out here in the land of 14'rs, we get it all the time from above about assigning an altitude below our MIA's, as someone will go NORDO, go into an area of higher MIA's, and smack. Sometimes the MIA's are higher than MEA's, sometimes lower. Anyway, just thought I'd throw that in. Chris |
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