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On 2006-02-09, Jay Honeck wrote:
That makes a LOT more sense to me than the commonly labeled "UPdraft", which implies a wind from below. True UPdrafts only make sense to me near the ground, where wind over ground obstacles can create eddies and currents, much like water in a stream burbles around rocks and other obstructions. Not anywhere near correct, I'm afraid, as any glider pilot can tell you. Thermals also qualify as 'updrafts', and I've spent many hours being kept aloft by these updrafts. Even with our weak lift here, I've got my glider to 5,300 feet on these, and in Texas I've been at over 8,000 feet AGL. Some soaring sites get thermal lift up to 12000' AGL. Wave lift (which can be considered an updraft, as there is a vertical component to the air) can reach well into airliner altitudes. Gliders at Minden regularly reach FL300 and higher. The only part of turbulence I truly DON'T understand is the kind that tips one wing up violently. How the heck a "parcel" of air can be so different in the span of just 30 feet (our approximate wingspan) escapes me, but I've had turbulence push one wing up so hard that it took nearly full opposite aileron to remain level. Again, try some gliding in the summer to understand this better. Quite often in a glider, you feel one wing rising faster than the other - you bank into this rising wing because this is where the strongest lift is. Small, strong thermals can have a very marked boundary and it's quite easy to have half the plane inside the thermal and half of it outside. -- Dylan Smith, Port St Mary, Isle of Man Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net Oolite-Linux: an Elite tribute: http://oolite-linux.berlios.de Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net |
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That makes a LOT more sense to me than the commonly labeled "UPdraft",
which implies a wind from below. True UPdrafts only make sense to me near the ground, where wind over ground obstacles can create eddies and currents, much like water in a stream burbles around rocks and other obstructions. Not anywhere near correct, I'm afraid, as any glider pilot can tell you. Thermals also qualify as 'updrafts', and I've spent many hours being kept aloft by these updrafts. Understood, but I'm making a distinction between "lift" (which is a consistent area of "updraft") and "turbulence" (which is an inconsistent area of "updraft" or varying relative wind, i.e.: wind shear). The line is fine, admittedly, but the sky is complex enough to require it. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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I'll give you one piece of advice that I have learned by experience. I
fly out of Boulder, CO. West of Boulder is the Continental Divide rising to 14000+. The prevailing west winds come over the ridge and on the east side of the ride there is unseen pockets of 'rotor' type turbulence. Going west you are climbing and are slow, so if you hit them it's not too bad. But coming east, you are descending. Pilots need to keep their speed down here. It is easy to point the nose down and gain speed. Sometimes, except for these turbulence pockets, the route is smooth, so that doubles the temptation to come down fast. When you hit the pocket of turbulence it is usually just one or two "thwaps", like giant hit the top of the wings with a big flyswatter. Then smooth again. This is one place where keeping an eye on Va is essential. |
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