A380 arriving in the northeast?

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Thomas Borchert wrote:

Your claim that the US government subsidies Boeing
is factually wrong.

Which is at the very least a matter of dispute.

Dispute it all you want, you'll still be wrong.

--
Bob Noel
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"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
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Just like the US government subsidises Boeing. So what? You statement is
still factually wrong, for all practical purposes and beyond.


In what way does the US government subsidize Boeing?

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
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Which is at the very least a matter of dispute.


No it isn't.

"Cub Driver" usenet AT danford DOT net wrote in message
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:04:34 -0600, Darek wrote:

Does anyone know if or when the Airbus A380 is going to make its way to
JFK
in New York?

Well, Airbus must first build the plane. Then an airport will have to
build a terminal to accommodate it.

Last week I saw the new Terminal 4 under construction at Heathrow,
supposedly for the A380. In the nature of public works projects, I
doubt it will be finished in 2006. Maybe 2007? But it's easier to get
things through a European local government than it is in the U.S.

Perhaps they'll deplane the folks out on the JFK tarmac with a
jury-rigged double-decker stairs? That indeed would be something to
see.


Two things - they are building terminal 5 at Heathrow and that will be the
new British Airways terminal and will be in operation in 2007.

The A 380 will mainly be using terminal 3 and that is A380 ready with
strengthen ramps and taxiways already done. In addition they double deck
loading piers are also in place.

Manchester is ready from the A380 also.

Many of the airports on the main service routes are also ready if not near
ready. They main revenue routes will be Europe to the middle East and Asia.
emirates are having 45 A380s and see Dubai developing as one of the biggest
hubs in the world.

Airbus is doing the trials.

That makes sense. I also wouldn't be surprised if Airbus was repainting
the livery as it flys around the world. It sure makes it more appealing
to buy a new plane when you already see it out there with your name
painted all over it. Maybe your customers will even hear about it in
the news, think you are already buying one, and generate an expectation
that you will.

-Robert

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Last week I saw the new Terminal 4 under construction at Heathrow,
supposedly for the A380. In the nature of public works projects, I
doubt it will be finished in 2006. Maybe 2007? But it's easier to get
things through a European local government than it is in the U.S.

The project is actually ahead of schedule too although it 20 years to go
through the planning process before construction actually started.
anyway, what is a European local government, do you mean for example the
United Kingdom government , or the London borough of Hillingdon.

Thomas Borchert wrote:

Sfb,

The US government buys products from Boeing. The EU countries continue
to give launch subsidies Airbus. There is a difference despite the
unproven EU contention that the military sales to the US are somehow
subsiding Boeing's commercial aircraft development.


Yeah, right. Sure. Whatever you say...

Well as the Wall Street Journal pointed out, 8/10 Airbus Parent EADS gets
more defense business (from government) than Boeing does. BAE does a lot of
government defense business, even a healthy amount from USA. So even if
you think that selling a product to the government (airplanes, rockets,
pencil sharpeners) is a "subsidy" to the company, even that argument is more
than cancelled out. Note that Airbus doesn't even bother to deny they are
so heavily subsidized anymore, they're only defense is "well, but but but
Boeing does it too!" Right.

Meanwhile Airbus enjoys massive government subsidies such as risk free
launch loans for products, direct financial subsidies, reduced interest
loans, and massive infrastructure construction. $4 Billion launch aid for
A380 alone. Airbus will likely sucessfully shake down governments for at
least $1 billion of launch aid for the A350 if it hasn't already. The A380
required enormous infrastructure building, such as bridges, canals, roads
etc. just so that parts could be moved around Europe from one factory to
another until they reach the final assembly in Toulouse, France.

Oh and a healthy share of Airbus/EADS's ownership is by government as well.

On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:30:19 -0000, "Chris"
wrote:

Two things - they are building terminal 5 at Heathrow and that will be the
new British Airways terminal and will be in operation in 2007.

Yes, I meant to say 5. Jet lag, you know!

So my driver lied to me about Airbus?

The A 380 will mainly be using terminal 3 and that is A380 ready with
strengthen ramps and taxiways already done. In addition they double deck
loading piers are also in place.

Huh. I flew out of 3 last week. (What an awful design! You walk for
what seems like miles, a la Miami airport.) Some gates were closed
off; perhaps those were the double-deckers?



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On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:30:19 -0000, "Chris"
wrote:

Many of the airports on the main service routes are also ready if not near
ready. They main revenue routes will be Europe to the middle East and Asia.
emirates are having 45 A380s and see Dubai developing as one of the biggest
hubs in the world.


And JFK?

Or will we be spared this monstrosity, the way we were (more or less)
spared the Concorde?

I flew over and back this month on 747s, which I had sworn never to
fly again. Happily the plane was mostly empty going, and largely empty
returning, so I got the best of both worlds: three or four seats to
sleep on, and fairly fast luggage retrieval.



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On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:36:50 -0000, "Chris"
wrote:

a European local government, do you mean for example the
United Kingdom government , or the London borough of Hillingdon

I was assuming a county council. Perhaps a borough does the job in
this case?

Good grief! London extends 30 miles into the countryside?


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