About Good Pilots and Bad Pilots

I again still respectfully disagree. I am VMC on top. How would I know
that the weather is worsening BELOW the overcast??? I am plodding along,
dumb and happy, enjoying the view a couple thousand feet above the
overcast.

ATIS. It's an error. Granted, it's one borne of inexperience, but
experience is how we become better pilots - it goes without saying that
prior to experience, we were worse pilots.

I followed the VFR rules to a tee when the wheels
went up.

Rules aren't sufficient, as you learned.

Jose
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On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 04:21:48 GMT, Jose wrote:

I followed the VFR rules to a tee when the wheels
went up.

Rules aren't sufficient, as you learned.

Yep, you are so right. That flight made me pursue my IFR rating *smile*

Had I had my IFR rating, we wouldn't be discussing it, it would had been a
non eventful ILS approach with 800 foot ceilings, but as you said, we learn
from our experiences.

Every time I step on the ramp, I am in the learning mode....

Allen

A Lieberman wrote:

On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 04:21:48 GMT, Jose wrote:


I followed the VFR rules to a tee when the wheels
went up.

Rules aren't sufficient, as you learned.


Yep, you are so right. That flight made me pursue my IFR rating *smile*

Had I had my IFR rating, we wouldn't be discussing it, it would had been a
non eventful ILS approach with 800 foot ceilings, but as you said, we learn
from our experiences.

Absolutely correct!


Every time I step on the ramp, I am in the learning mode....

Yes, as we all should be.

Matt

BTW, VFR ON TOP is an IFR clearance restriction, VFR OVER
THE TOP is a VFR flight. VFR over the top is not allowed to
student, recreational or sport pilots and is not a good idea
for any VFR only pilot. If the edge of a cloud deck is
nearby and you can glide, power off to that edge, not just a
hole in a solid layer, but clear skies, go ahead. But if
you're on top of a layer and need to come down because of
power failure, fire, sickness or any reason, you may not be
able to maneuver to stay 1,000 above, 500 below and 2,000
horizontal (that is a hole about a mile to two mile wide to
allow a spiral and stay 2,000 feet from the edge.

Get a CFI, file an IFR flight to the practice area and
request a block altitude and try to fly down through a hole.


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James H. Macklin
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"Jose" wrote in message
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| I again still respectfully disagree. I am VMC on top.
How would I know
| that the weather is worsening BELOW the overcast??? I
am plodding along,
| dumb and happy, enjoying the view a couple thousand feet
above the
| overcast.
|
| ATIS. It's an error. Granted, it's one borne of
inexperience, but
| experience is how we become better pilots - it goes
without saying that
| prior to experience, we were worse pilots.
|
| I followed the VFR rules to a tee when the wheels
| went up.
|
| Rules aren't sufficient, as you learned.
|
| Jose
| --
| Money: what you need when you run out of brains.
| for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

"Jose" wrote in message
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I again still respectfully disagree. I am VMC on top. How would I know
that the weather is worsening BELOW the overcast???

ATIS. It's an error. Granted, it's one borne of inexperience, but
experience is how we become better pilots - it goes without saying that
prior to experience, we were worse pilots.

All true, but I think there's also a training deficiency in evidence here.
Prior to the first solo XC, a student should be familiar with the use of
ATIS/AWOS/ASOS, HIWAS, FSS, and EFAS (Flight Watch) to obtain in-flight
weather updates, and should have practiced using those resources during dual
training flights. A pilot shouldn't have to learn this stuff for the first
time while flying alone in deteriorating weather.

--Gary