About Good Pilots and Bad Pilots

So, I take it your experience has nothing to do with Part 121, to which I
was referring.

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
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So, I take it your experience has nothing to do with Part 121, to which I
was referring.
BFD

"Matt Barrow" wrote in message news:FtjKf.6

BFD

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In article ,
"John Gaquin" wrote:

BFD

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I would assume he meant Big Deal...

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big ----- deal, also BFH = big hammer, tfc too cold

The 121 pilots have a full support staff to help with flight
planning and a crew to bring and serve the coffee. The 135
charter pilot has the best and worst job, gets paid to fly
pretty good airplanes but has to carry the luggage, do all
the flight planning, brew and serve the coffee, and clean
the potty.


"John Gaquin" wrote in message
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"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
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big ----- deal, also BFH = big hammer, tfc too cold

The 121 pilots have a full support staff to help with flight
planning and a crew to bring and serve the coffee. The 135
charter pilot has the best and worst job, gets paid to fly
pretty good airplanes but has to carry the luggage, do all
the flight planning, brew and serve the coffee, and clean
the potty.

..................not to mention the cockpit vomit, which is a smell that
never really leaves the airplane, and I can still mentally visualize to this
very day .
:-))))))))))))))))
Dudley Henriques

I've been lucky or smooth, never had anybody mess up the
cockpit. Did have one student who came out to fly and
brought his sister along for the ride, a dual cross-country
from Wichita to Emporia, Marion, Newton and back to Wichita.
About half way to Emporia they both became ill. Seems they
had stopped for hamburgers for lunch and both also were not
feeling well before take-off.
I had plenty (?) of sic-sacks and they used them. When we
got to Emporia we threw the used bags in the trash ands
bought all the sic-sacks they had at the airport, 4 to
restock the airplane. We also took a while to settle down.
But half way to Marion the hamburgers took over again and
shortly they had used all four new bags. Then they still
got ill because of the smell. She dumped the aircraft
paperwork in the seat pocket at my instruction and used the
zip lock portfolio and he used the right hand pocket of his
NEW sports coat.
I, being the superior pilot/CFI with a nose used to
shoveling horse droppings and even some pigs [I was a "pile
it" , before I became an aviator] was able to resist the
need for myself. And the smell is still in my nostrils.

hen I was learning to be a CFI, I asked my friend and
instructor at Spartan (Auggie) how to handle air sick
students and was told that in the Cessna 150-172 airplanes,
open the window and stick their head outside. Never had to
do that.

BTW, that student is now an FAA Inspector


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

--
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But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
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"Dudley Henriques" wrote in
message
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| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in message
| news:nnkKf.100060$4l5.33181@dukeread05...
| big ----- deal, also BFH = big hammer, tfc too cold
|
| The 121 pilots have a full support staff to help with
flight
| planning and a crew to bring and serve the coffee. The
135
| charter pilot has the best and worst job, gets paid to
fly
| pretty good airplanes but has to carry the luggage, do
all
| the flight planning, brew and serve the coffee, and
clean
| the potty.
|
| .................not to mention the cockpit vomit, which
is a smell that
| never really leaves the airplane, and I can still mentally
visualize to this
| very day .
| :-))))))))))))))))
| Dudley Henriques
|
|

Brings back memories :-)
I've always wondered about those so called $100 hamburger flights. Actually,
for me in the Mustang, or occasionally in the Bearcat, those burgers were a
bit more expensive :-)
If I remember right, most of those airport hamburgers bought at those little
"airport cafe's on the fields were grilled and dripping with grease. Just
the thing to settle the old stomach down for a weekend pilot. Add this to
the stress of a hot cockpit on a summer day and a new pilot getting "just a
little bit lost " on the way home and it's a wonder more people didn't end
up puking in the seat pockets :-))
We had a bevy of line boys who were supposed to take care of things like
that, but it seems to me remembering back now, that every damn time it
happened, I was the only one on the scene to take care of it :-))
Dudley Henriques

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
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I've been lucky or smooth, never had anybody mess up the
cockpit. Did have one student who came out to fly and
brought his sister along for the ride, a dual cross-country
from Wichita to Emporia, Marion, Newton and back to Wichita.
About half way to Emporia they both became ill. Seems they
had stopped for hamburgers for lunch and both also were not
feeling well before take-off.
I had plenty (?) of sic-sacks and they used them. When we
got to Emporia we threw the used bags in the trash ands
bought all the sic-sacks they had at the airport, 4 to
restock the airplane. We also took a while to settle down.
But half way to Marion the hamburgers took over again and
shortly they had used all four new bags. Then they still
got ill because of the smell. She dumped the aircraft
paperwork in the seat pocket at my instruction and used the
zip lock portfolio and he used the right hand pocket of his
NEW sports coat.
I, being the superior pilot/CFI with a nose used to
shoveling horse droppings and even some pigs [I was a "pile
it" , before I became an aviator] was able to resist the
need for myself. And the smell is still in my nostrils.

hen I was learning to be a CFI, I asked my friend and
instructor at Spartan (Auggie) how to handle air sick
students and was told that in the Cessna 150-172 airplanes,
open the window and stick their head outside. Never had to
do that.

BTW, that student is now an FAA Inspector


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties.



"Dudley Henriques" wrote in
message
.net...
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| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in message
| news:nnkKf.100060$4l5.33181@dukeread05...
| big ----- deal, also BFH = big hammer, tfc too cold
|
| The 121 pilots have a full support staff to help with
flight
| planning and a crew to bring and serve the coffee. The
135
| charter pilot has the best and worst job, gets paid to
fly
| pretty good airplanes but has to carry the luggage, do
all
| the flight planning, brew and serve the coffee, and
clean
| the potty.
|
| .................not to mention the cockpit vomit, which
is a smell that
| never really leaves the airplane, and I can still mentally
visualize to this
| very day .
| :-))))))))))))))))
| Dudley Henriques
|
|

Jim Macklin wrote:
I've been lucky or smooth, never had anybody mess up the
cockpit. Did have one student who came out to fly and
brought his sister along for the ride, a dual cross-country
from Wichita to Emporia, Marion, Newton and back to Wichita.
About half way to Emporia they both became ill. Seems they
had stopped for hamburgers for lunch and both also were not
feeling well before take-off.



I had a teenager get sick on me once in a C-210. I saw him looking kind of
green around the gills, then he started leaning over my charts. "Oh no you
don't!". I snatched my charts away just in time. He ended up puking into the
emergency gear extension well located between the two front seats. After we
landed, I made him clean it out, then I went looking for some Ozium... which is
great stuff for getting ride of the lovely bouquet of fresh steaming emesis.

The only time I myself got queasy was sitting in the back seat of an Arrow while
somebody else was flying. I didn't disgrace myself but I wasn't comfortable
either. I've always thought it was because I wasn't in control myself.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
The 121 pilots have a full support staff to help with flight
planning and a crew to bring and serve the coffee. The 135
charter pilot has the best and worst job, gets paid to fly
pretty good airplanes but has to carry the luggage, do all
the flight planning, brew and serve the coffee, and clean
the potty.

Essentially accurate, although you've selected the grandest of 121 for
comparison against the worst of 135 (Pt 121 freighters don't have anyone to
prepare your meals or coffee, and I've flown for excellent Pt 135 airlines
that used canned flight plans and had people to load the luggage, even on
planes so small they had no coffeemaker or head). Having done both, I can
see this, but others may be misled. The overarching point is that your
earlier comments were unconnected. In my earlier post, I acknowledged that
my good dose of good luck had a lot to do with "...professional airline
maintenance staff and required routine maintenance...", to which you replied
with cautions about owners not allowing mechanics to fix things due to
expense, etc., etc. These things can and do occur among the amateurs and
the lower order of commercial operators, but I think my post was pretty
clear in that I was referring to the airline environment.