About Good Pilots and Bad Pilots

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
news:K8nKf.101008$4l5.24143@dukeread05...

Did I miss something somewhere, Jim? Why do you continue to belabor this
unrelated point? I offered kudos to the airline maintenance people that
contributed to my overall career safety, and you responded by commenting
that unscrupulous amateurs often scrimp on maintenance. Not only does this
have no bearing on my original comment, but it is a fact well known to all
that needs no further demonstration. What am I missing here?

The people I was talking about were professional, at FAA
certified repair stations and the airplanes were most often
professionally flown. The owner flown airplanes were often
flown by people who wanted the best maintenance but those
professional shops cut corners to "get the work out the
door."

I think it is related, but since you seem to be upset, I
won't mention it again for a few days.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

--
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"John Gaquin" wrote in message
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| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in message
| news:K8nKf.101008$4l5.24143@dukeread05...
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| Did I miss something somewhere, Jim? Why do you continue
to belabor this
| unrelated point? I offered kudos to the airline
maintenance people that
| contributed to my overall career safety, and you responded
by commenting
| that unscrupulous amateurs often scrimp on maintenance.
Not only does this
| have no bearing on my original comment, but it is a fact
well known to all
| that needs no further demonstration. What am I missing
here?
|
|

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message

The people I was talking about were professional,.....

Anyone who requests or provides shoddy maintenance in the manner you've
described is an amateur, regardless of whether or not they are paid for
their activities.

I think it is related, but since you seem to be upset,

Not upset, just trying to sense where your remarks fit with my comments
regarding airline (121) maintenance.

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
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"Jim Macklin" wrote in message

The people I was talking about were professional,.....

Anyone who requests or provides shoddy maintenance in the manner you've
described is an amateur, regardless of whether or not they are paid for
their activities.

Wasn't aware that 'amateur' or 'professional' indicated quality. Hadn't
noticed that in my 56 years.

I think it is related, but since you seem to be upset,

Not upset, just trying to sense where your remarks fit with my comments
regarding airline (121) maintenance.

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message

Wasn't aware that 'amateur' or 'professional' indicated quality. Hadn't
noticed that in my 56 years.

Oh, Absolutely! There are many very professional pilots flying a variety
of SELs on weekends, while there are also some very amateur people driving
Boeings for large salaries. And I chose the word 'driving' carefully.

If they are paid, they are professional, if they do
intentionally shoddy work they are unethical and criminal.



"John Gaquin" wrote in message
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| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in message
|
| The people I was talking about were professional,.....
|
| Anyone who requests or provides shoddy maintenance in the
manner you've
| described is an amateur, regardless of whether or not they
are paid for
| their activities.
|
| I think it is related, but since you seem to be upset,
|
| Not upset, just trying to sense where your remarks fit
with my comments
| regarding airline (121) maintenance.
|
|

"Jim Macklin" wrote in

If they are paid, they are professional,

No. If they are paid, they are paid, that's all. Professionalism comes
from within. If their interest and concern with job performance corresponds
only to the number of dollars they're paid, they're whores.

You snipped the rest of my post...by legal definition, if
you are paid you are professional. But you can be
incompetent, unethical, criminal and just sloppy.
I also know that there are many private pilots who have
better skills and are more "professional" in the way the fly
than the airline pilots who failed to turn the engine
anti-ice ON before taking off from DC, the airline pilots
who ran out of fuel on a trip from South America to NYC and
crashed, totally out of fuel on Long Island, the mechanics
who forgot to install all the fasteners on the tail of a
Beech 1900 that crashed in Denver, the ... need we need to
go on, every pilot, mechanic, or other person can make
mistakes and some deliberately do shoddy work. Some pilots
force the issue with duck under approaches, or other "stupid
pilot tricks."

You used Professionalism, a different word and meaning, I
said professional which indicates paid.

I don't mind if you and I disagree, it is kind of fun, just
fully quote me.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties.


"John Gaquin" wrote in message
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| "Jim Macklin" wrote
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| If they are paid, they are professional,
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| No. If they are paid, they are paid, that's all.
Professionalism comes
| from within. If their interest and concern with job
performance corresponds
| only to the number of dollars they're paid, they're
whores.
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|

"Jim Macklin" wrote in

......just
fully quote me.

Not all the time...... too much bandwidth.