Bad news day in Sacramento

When I was working in Silicon Valley, I once went to the testing area
in our company. Casually mentioned to the engineer there that I was a
pilot. Was immediately treated to a 20 minute diatribe about RHV -
about how it needs to be closed - about how annoying these little
planes were flying overhead when he went out to relax in his backyard.

He went on and on about how the little planes were mostly just
flying round & round ( pattern ) and about how they were mostly
foreigners who came to San Jose from far away to fly round and round in
his backyard.

The guy is so obsessed that he created a website:
http://www.reidhillview.com/.
Scary.... I would say that he was just a real estate investor buying
a house at a depressed "airport-nearby" price, getting the airport
closed, selling the house at a massive profit, and moving on to the
next airport - except he was so passionate. This was maybe six years
ago; the website is still up.

When I mentioned that the airport was already there when the houses
went up, I thought he was going to hit me, He said something to the
effect that pilots better bow
to the will of the people, or there would be consequences! ( I
imagined mobs of
villagers with torches....

RHV is actually the busiest training airport in the Bay Area.

These days, I mostly don't mention being a pilot - am never sure how
people will react.

- Jerry Kaidor

"Jerry" wrote in message
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When I mentioned that the airport was already there when the houses
went up, I thought he was going to hit me, He said something to the
effect that pilots better bow
to the will of the people, or there would be consequences!

Nah...der Volk.

( I
imagined mobs of
villagers with torches....

At rallies in Nuremberg...

Jerry wrote:
When I was working in Silicon Valley, I once went to the testing area
in our company. Casually mentioned to the engineer there that I was a
pilot. Was immediately treated to a 20 minute diatribe about RHV -
about how it needs to be closed - about how annoying these little
planes were flying overhead when he went out to relax in his backyard.

He went on and on about how the little planes were mostly just
flying round & round ( pattern ) and about how they were mostly
foreigners who came to San Jose from far away to fly round and round in
his backyard.

The guy is so obsessed that he created a website:
http://www.reidhillview.com/.

Funny, one of his links to RHV pictures is another site-PRO RHV.

Scary.... I would say that he was just a real estate investor buying
a house at a depressed "airport-nearby" price, getting the airport
closed, selling the house at a massive profit, and moving on to the
next airport - except he was so passionate. This was maybe six years
ago; the website is still up.

When I mentioned that the airport was already there when the houses
went up,

So that entitles RHV users to force adjoining property to remain garlic
fields.

JG



I thought he was going to hit me, He said something to the
effect that pilots better bow
to the will of the people, or there would be consequences! ( I
imagined mobs of
villagers with torches....

RHV is actually the busiest training airport in the Bay Area.

These days, I mostly don't mention being a pilot - am never sure how
people will react.

- Jerry Kaidor

wrote:
So that entitles RHV users to force adjoining property to remain garlic fields.

I was going to say "of course not". But then I wondered "Why not?".

Of course RHV owners and users can't force the adjoining property to
remain any particular thing. But we SHOULD be able to keep the land
from becoming CERTAIN new things, like houses, that are predictably a
problem off the ends of runways. It's called zoning, and it needs to
be part of any new airport, and it needs to be enforced.

The airport was there first. If you don't like airports, don't move in
next to the things.

This happens to more than just airports. Houses spring up near farms,
trash hauling stations, airports, noisy businesses, power plants, etc.
all the time. And with increasing frequency the newcomers start to
complain about the things that were there first, and tell the original
folks to shut down and move. This is insane.

I think it's high time we grabbed some vacant land in the middle of a
town, build an airport (helicopters to start with), and tell the
adjoining residents they have to move because their houses are
interfering with our flight paths. Kinda turn the tables on them. Of
course, they'll say they were there first. And they'd be right.....

wrote:
wrote:
So that entitles RHV users to force adjoining property to remain garlic fields.

I was going to say "of course not". But then I wondered "Why not?".

Of course RHV owners and users can't force the adjoining property to
remain any particular thing. But we SHOULD be able to keep the land
from becoming CERTAIN new things, like houses, that are predictably a
problem off the ends of runways. It's called zoning, and it needs to
be part of any new airport, and it needs to be enforced.

True, much of the land around ORD is rail, warehouses or forests. But
the zoning
has to be enforced. Somehow things got residential around RHV. So, we
have housing
which is under priced compared to the rest of SV, and nobody got a
noise easement
from the neighbors. History moves on, look at Denver-Stapleton. The
solution
could include better use of SJC,OAK, Moffet, etc. SV is one of those
desirable places with
high land prices. I still see a nice yuppy leisure village at PAO.

This happens to more than just airports. Houses spring up near farms,
trash hauling stations, airports, noisy businesses, power plants, etc.
all the time. And with increasing frequency the newcomers start to
complain about the things that were there first, and tell the original
folks to shut down and move. This is insane.


It boils down to politics and raw numbers...the golden rule...JG

I think it's high time we grabbed some vacant land in the middle of a
town, build an airport (helicopters to start with), and tell the
adjoining residents they have to move because their houses are
interfering with our flight paths. Kinda turn the tables on them. Of
course, they'll say they were there first. And they'd be right.....

wrote in message
ups.com...

wrote:
wrote:
So that entitles RHV users to force adjoining property to remain garlic
fields.

I was going to say "of course not". But then I wondered "Why not?".

Of course RHV owners and users can't force the adjoining property to
remain any particular thing. But we SHOULD be able to keep the land
from becoming CERTAIN new things, like houses, that are predictably a
problem off the ends of runways. It's called zoning, and it needs to
be part of any new airport, and it needs to be enforced.

True, much of the land around ORD is rail, warehouses or forests.

That must be a surprise to all the people that love in Elk Grove,
Bensenville, Rosemount, Des Plaines and all the other surrounding
communities. I think you need to take a drive around O'Hare to see how
wrong your statement is.

Dave Stadt wrote:
wrote in message
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wrote:
wrote:
So that entitles RHV users to force adjoining property to remain garlic
fields.

I was going to say "of course not". But then I wondered "Why not?".

Of course RHV owners and users can't force the adjoining property to
remain any particular thing. But we SHOULD be able to keep the land
from becoming CERTAIN new things, like houses, that are predictably a
problem off the ends of runways. It's called zoning, and it needs to
be part of any new airport, and it needs to be enforced.

True, much of the land around ORD is rail, warehouses or forests.

That must be a surprise to all the people that love in Elk Grove,
Bensenville, Rosemount, Des Plaines and all the other surrounding
communities. I think you need to take a drive around O'Hare to see how
wrong your statement is.

Rosemont didn't exist before ORD. Des Plaines caved in and supports the
expansion. Bensenville, well they're still playing around but
homeowners have sold to ORD.

Elk Grove would be nothing without ORD, most of their housing is post
ORD construction. Again it boils down to raw
political wlll. Even the Dupage Co. board supports ORD expansion.

JG

wrote in message
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Dave Stadt wrote:
wrote in message
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wrote:
wrote:
So that entitles RHV users to force adjoining property to remain
garlic
fields.

I was going to say "of course not". But then I wondered "Why not?".

Of course RHV owners and users can't force the adjoining property to
remain any particular thing. But we SHOULD be able to keep the land
from becoming CERTAIN new things, like houses, that are predictably a
problem off the ends of runways. It's called zoning, and it needs to
be part of any new airport, and it needs to be enforced.

True, much of the land around ORD is rail, warehouses or forests.

That must be a surprise to all the people that love in Elk Grove,
Bensenville, Rosemount, Des Plaines and all the other surrounding
communities. I think you need to take a drive around O'Hare to see how
wrong your statement is.

Rosemont didn't exist before ORD. Des Plaines caved in and supports the
expansion. Bensenville, well they're still playing around but
homeowners have sold to ORD.

Elk Grove would be nothing without ORD, most of their housing is post
ORD construction. Again it boils down to raw
political wlll. Even the Dupage Co. board supports ORD expansion.

JG

Yea, so. What does that have to do with the fact much of the land
surrounding O'Hare not being rail, wharehouse and forest like you claimed.

Dave Stadt wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

wrote:
wrote:
So that entitles RHV users to force adjoining property to remain garlic
fields.

I was going to say "of course not". But then I wondered "Why not?".

Of course RHV owners and users can't force the adjoining property to
remain any particular thing. But we SHOULD be able to keep the land
from becoming CERTAIN new things, like houses, that are predictably a
problem off the ends of runways. It's called zoning, and it needs to
be part of any new airport, and it needs to be enforced.

True, much of the land around ORD is rail, warehouses or forests.

That must be a surprise to all the people that love in Elk Grove,
Bensenville, Rosemount, Des Plaines and all the other surrounding
communities. I think you need to take a drive around O'Hare to see how
wrong your statement is.

Rosemont didn't exist before ORD. Des Plaines caved in and supports the
expansion. Bensenville, well they're still playing around but
homeowners have sold to ORD.

Elk Grove would be nothing without ORD, most of their housing is post
ORD construction. Again it boils down to raw
political wlll. Even the Dupage Co. board supports ORD expansion.

JG

Jerry wrote:

These days, I mostly don't mention being a pilot - am never sure how
people will react.

just say you are a cartoonist...

we are living wonderful times :-)

so you actually met the nut case in person? scary.

--Sylvain