Physics Professor's Peer Reviewed Paper on WTC CONTROLLED DEMOLITIONS on 9/11

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Johnny Bravo wrote:
On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 02:30:04 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
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Johnny Bravo wrote:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:26:15 GMT, TRUTH wrote:


Also, remember the government claims that they identified *all* the
passengers from their DNA. The plane (make of metal) practically
incinerates, but organic matter (inside the metal plane) survived?


Teeth are not your typical organic matter.

They would fit any reasonable definition that I can think of. Now,
fillings, that's something else.

Didn't say they weren't organic, just that they aren't typical in terms
of
being burned up in a fire. One study has 85% of the teeth tested survive
a fire
lasting 50 minutes in which temperatures exceeded 1,000 degrees.

A typical aluminum skinned airliner subjected to such temperatures and
then
having a a few floors of a building collapse on the wreckage is going to
all but
obliterate it to casual inspection; but human remains inside are likely
to still
have recoverable DNA.

I think the bulk of a tooth is inorganic,

Well no, unless its an artificial replacement a tooth was
made by the body that its attached too and is by definition organic.

and contains no DNA
but the innermost part has the nerve and a little flesh and blood
that is organic, and does have DNA. But if the tooth is heated
long and hot enough that DNA will be destroyed.


True but a tooth is essentially a sealed ceramic capsule.
Its a matter of record that DNA has been retrieved from
victims who's bodies were reduced to charcoal in a fire.

Besides, separating bone fragments and teeth from pulverized plaster
and cement, while no doubt doable, could not have been thoroughly
done within the amount of time during which the debris was removed
and disposed of.


Well no, it was done while the wreckage was being sorted and
sifted off site and they had several months to do this.

Again they recovered considerable such samples
from the Oceanic crashes of TWA-800 and SwissAir 111
so recovery from the WTC is quite believable.

Keith

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True but a tooth is essentially a sealed ceramic capsule.
Its a matter of record that DNA has been retrieved from
victims who's bodies were reduced to charcoal in a fire.

Understood.


Besides, separating bone fragments and teeth from pulverized plaster
and cement, while no doubt doable, could not have been thoroughly
done within the amount of time during which the debris was removed
and disposed of.


Well no, it was done while the wreckage was being sorted and
sifted off site and they had several months to do this.

It took several months just to clear the materials from the site.

Given that identifiable remains were found for less than half
of the victims I tend to think the examination was not that
thorough.


Again they recovered considerable such samples
from the Oceanic crashes of TWA-800 and SwissAir 111
so recovery from the WTC is quite believable.


Oh, I agree that it is quite believable. In fact, I am surprised that
so many of the victims had no remains recovered. The only
viable explanation is that a lot of human remains were left
unseparrated from the rubble. One would expect that most
of the bodies of the victims killed in the collapse would have
still been largely in one piece when the dust settled, leaving
concentrated pockets of remains to be exhumed later.

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Oh, I agree that it is quite believable. In fact, I am surprised that
so many of the victims had no remains recovered. The only
viable explanation is that a lot of human remains were left
unseparrated from the rubble. One would expect that most
of the bodies of the victims killed in the collapse would have
still been largely in one piece when the dust settled, leaving
concentrated pockets of remains to be exhumed later.


I suspect the issue is where in the building the victims were
when the tower collapsed. Anyone near the bottom would
likely leave no trace as they were under the pile of rubble
where there was intense heat for days if not weeks. Even teeth
and bones will calcine in those conditions.

Keith

One would expect that most
of the bodies of the victims killed in the collapse would have
still been largely in one piece when the dust settled, leaving
concentrated pockets of remains to be exhumed later.

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You can expect that but you will be wrong... The bodies were as
throroughly ground up as if you had put them through a sausage
grinder... The resulting pulp was thoroughly mixed with an alkali and
tossed like a dinner salad with tens of millions of pounds of other
material.. No visible body parts for the excavating machine operators
to notice as they were scooping...

denny

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One would expect that most
of the bodies of the victims killed in the collapse would have
still been largely in one piece when the dust settled, leaving
concentrated pockets of remains to be exhumed later.

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You can expect that but you will be wrong... The bodies were as
throroughly ground up as if you had put them through a sausage
grinder... The resulting pulp was thoroughly mixed with an alkali and
tossed like a dinner salad with tens of millions of pounds of other
material.. No visible body parts for the excavating machine operators
to notice as they were scooping...

denny


Well around 280 complete bodies were recovered as I recall and
the forensic teams report recovering and analysing
the DNA of some 14249 body parts that were recovered

Keith