New demands for more GA security

Deuteronomy 13:7-11

There's one. I can find more.

"Skywise" wrote in message
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"mike regish" wrote in
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Snipola
The Bible demands death for any violation of the 10 commandments, along
with a host of other sins.
Snipola

Chapter and verse, please?

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"mike regish" wrote in
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Deuteronomy 13:7-11

There's one. I can find more.

Yes, it can certainly be read as you describe. However, keep in
mind that Deuteronomy is one of the oldest books of the Bible
and was written thousands of years ago, when the world was far
different than it is today.

Do you think that all religions who hold the Bible sacred would
take such a statement as a literal command? Do you mean to imply
that, for instance, a Catholic or even a Jew (Deuteronomy is part
of the Torah, IIRC) should go on a murderous rampage based on this
passage? More to the point, do these religions suggest doing so
TODAY?

Having been raised a Catholic and having gone through Catholic
schooling, I do not ever recall being told that I should go and
stone someone because they want me to change beliefs.

I suppose I should have killed those two Jehovah Witness's that
used to visit me a few years ago? After all, it's in the Bible,
right? Therefore I was simply following what my Bible told me
to do, right? I should not be held accountable for my actions,
because I was practicing my religion, which is granted protection
under the Constitution of the United States, right? Heck, since
you seem opposed to "my God", I should hunt you down and kill you
too, right? After all, my Bible says to do so, right?

No, what you are referring to is fundamental extremism. Yes, a
group of people could take that passage in the most fundamental
and literal sense and act on it. But that does not make it right
and I would not support such action.

You are making the false sweeping generalization that just because
there are some phucked up in the head people who twist the Bible
(or other books) as an excuse to commit their misdeeds, that ALL
people who hold such Books sacred must be guilty of the same crime.

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"Skywise" wrote in message
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"mike regish" wrote in
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Deuteronomy 13:7-11

There's one. I can find more.

Yes, it can certainly be read as you describe. However, keep in
mind that Deuteronomy is one of the oldest books of the Bible
and was written thousands of years ago, when the world was far
different than it is today.

And we're pretty much the same as we were 2000 years ago?

Do you think that all religions who hold the Bible sacred would
take such a statement as a literal command?

The bible also says that it is to be interpreted literally.

Do you mean to imply
that, for instance, a Catholic or even a Jew (Deuteronomy is part
of the Torah, IIRC) should go on a murderous rampage based on this
passage?

If their book is the perfect word of god, yes.


More to the point, do these religions suggest doing so
TODAY?

I don't think there were any time limits on the word of god. I'm pretty sure
there's no place in any religious text that says "Only follow these
instructions for 2000 years, then change."

Having been raised a Catholic and having gone through Catholic
schooling, I do not ever recall being told that I should go and
stone someone because they want me to change beliefs.

Because that part of the religion doesn't fit any more...but it is still
there.

I suppose I should have killed those two Jehovah Witness's that
used to visit me a few years ago? After all, it's in the Bible,
right? Therefore I was simply following what my Bible told me
to do, right? I should not be held accountable for my actions,
because I was practicing my religion, which is granted protection
under the Constitution of the United States, right? Heck, since
you seem opposed to "my God", I should hunt you down and kill you
too, right? After all, my Bible says to do so, right?

Right...on all counts. Do you believe in God or don't you? Did he write a
piece of crap or the true word? Are you a believer or a hypocrite?

No, what you are referring to is fundamental extremism.

No. What I'm referring to is religious hypocrisy.

Yes, a
group of people could take that passage in the most fundamental
and literal sense and act on it. But that does not make it right
and I would not support such action.

You want a list of crap in the bible that's not right? And that you wouldn't
support? Read the freakin' thing.

Show me something that says the bible is not to be taken literally. It
should say "Fiction" on the binder, but it doesn't.


You are making the false sweeping generalization that just because
there are some phucked up in the head people who twist the Bible
(or other books) as an excuse to commit their misdeeds, that ALL
people who hold such Books sacred must be guilty of the same crime.

Nothing needs to be twisted. It's all right there in black and white.

mike

"mike regish" wrote in
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Snipola

Ok...so in order for me to not be a hypocrite anymore, can
you give me your address so I can come over and blow your
head off with a .44 magnum? Oh, wait...it says "stoned".
Ok...I'll just beat your head in with rocks then.



Brian
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It IS your duty.

"Skywise" wrote in message
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"mike regish" wrote in
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Snipola

Ok...so in order for me to not be a hypocrite anymore, can
you give me your address so I can come over and blow your
head off with a .44 magnum? Oh, wait...it says "stoned".
Ok...I'll just beat your head in with rocks then.



Brian
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http://www.skywise711.com - Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism
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1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
Washington, D.C.

"Skywise" wrote in message
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"mike regish" wrote in
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Snipola

Ok...so in order for me to not be a hypocrite anymore, can
you give me your address so I can come over and blow your
head off with a .44 magnum? Oh, wait...it says "stoned".
Ok...I'll just beat your head in with rocks then.



Brian
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http://www.skywise711.com - Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism
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"mike regish" wrote in
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1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
Washington, D.C.

I interpret this as you realizing the absurdity of your own argument?

I have nothing more to say on the matter. You have your opinion, I
have mine. *I* can agree to disagree.

Brian
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"Skywise" wrote in message
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"mike regish" wrote in
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1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
Washington, D.C.

I interpret this as you realizing the absurdity of your own argument?

I have nothing more to say on the matter. You have your opinion, I
have mine. *I* can agree to disagree.

Except one's opinion can be based on facts, the other person's opinion on
hearsay, emotions, and fantasy.

So which side is the one that bases their positions on "emotions"?

On 2006-03-01, Skywise wrote:
Do you think that all religions who hold the Bible sacred would
take such a statement as a literal command? Do you mean to imply
that, for instance, a Catholic or even a Jew (Deuteronomy is part
of the Torah, IIRC) should go on a murderous rampage based on this
passage? More to the point, do these religions suggest doing so
TODAY?

I doubt it's based just on this passage, but there's been enough
sectarian violence between Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland
based solely on the minute differences between beliefs that it wouldn't
surprise me if there was still violence predicated on passages like
this.

Then the Catholic priests who won't condemn the violence either, just
dismissing it with 'it's complicated'

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