Cruise clearance

"Teacherjh" wrote in message
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No?


No.



What about I'm assigned 5000, and I'm level at 5000. I request
a "cruise 7000" and am granted that request. ("347FB cruise
seven thousand").


Why would you request a descent and approach clearance if all you wanted was
to climb from 5000 to 7000? If you want a higher altitude, ask for a higher
altitude.



1: is this an improper request? (never mind whether it will
accomplish what anybody thinks I want to accomplish)


Yes.



2: Is it improper to give me "347FB cruise seven thousand" when
I'm level at 5000?


Yes.



3: If the answer to the above are "no", then how do I get to
7000 without climbing? (and without drugs)


Regardless of the answer to the above, you cannot get to 7000 from 5000
without climbing. If you want to get from 5000 to 7000 then request 7000,
don't request a descent and approach clearance.

I advise you to get off the drugs.

What about I'm assigned 5000, and I'm level at 5000. I request
a "cruise 7000" and am granted that request. ("347FB cruise
seven thousand").

Why would you request a descent and approach clearance if all you wanted was
to climb from 5000 to 7000? If you want a higher altitude, ask for a higher
altitude.


I didn't say that "all I wanted" was to climb... I said what my ATC request
was, and gave no indication as to why. When I ask ATC for a clearance, they
don't ask me why.

But to give you one scenario, I'm at 5000, nearing my destination, and there's
a big bad cloud in front of me which goes from 2000 to 6000. I don't want to
enter the cloud because I'm afraid of the dark. Or maybe there's ice. Or
maybe my passenger's uncomfortable. Or maybe I just want to test the system.
Or maybe it's for training.

So, a "cruise 7000" lets me climb over this cloud, and then descend back down
to 5000, and then descend to my destination and do the approach (where the
conditions are 800-2, but it's a nice cloud, not a big bad cloud, and I've
already pushed my passenger overboard anyway)


1: is this an improper request? (never mind whether it will
accomplish what anybody thinks I want to accomplish)

Yes.


Why is the request =improper=? (again, never mind whether it accomplishes what
you may think I want to accomplish) And why would granting it be improper?


you cannot get to 7000 from 5000 without climbing. [...] I advise you to get
off the drugs.


What do you think the drugs are for?

Jose





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"Teacherjh" wrote in message
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I didn't say that "all I wanted" was to climb... I said what my
ATC request was, and gave no indication as to why. When I
ask ATC for a clearance, they don't ask me why.


But they do assume you understand what you're requesting.



But to give you one scenario, I'm at 5000, nearing my destination,
and there's a big bad cloud in front of me which goes from 2000
to 6000. I don't want to enter the cloud because I'm afraid of
the dark.


If you're afraid to enter clouds there's no reason for you to pursue an
instrument rating and this will never be an issue for you. A cruise
clearance is an IFR function.



What do you think the drugs are for?


Recreation.

But they do assume you understand what you're requesting.

I do. I am at 5000 feet. I am requesting a clearance which will allow me to
climb to 7000, stay there a while, go back down to 5000 feet, and go even
lower, even down to the ground at my destination. Does "cruise 7000" not allow
me to do that?


If you're afraid to enter clouds there's no reason for you to pursue an
instrument rating...


There are some clouds that nobody should penetrate. There are some clouds a
cherokee shouldn't penetrate. There are some clouds my mind will never
penetrate. And there are some occasions where, even though a cloud is benign,
I would prefer not to enter it.

Early in my IFR career, I saw lightning in a cloud right in front of me, a
cloud that was no more than 2000 feet thick. It made no sense to me, but I
wasn't going to enter something like that that made no sense to me. I asked
for and got a clearance above it, and found out that what I was seeing was the
lightning from a thunderstorm a hundred miles ahead, at night, which lit up the
cloud in front of me. I learned something that day.

It happens, despite evidence to the contrary.

Jose


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"Teacherjh" wrote in message
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I do.


How can you be sure?