How to get IFR Clearance enroute?

John Clonts wrote:

Side question, I have tried filing via Duats a flight plan beginning
at a navaid, and it won't let me because it tries to convert it to an
airport (e.g. XYZ Vor yields "Airport KXYZ does not exist"). Do you
know of some way around this?

Maybe it's the web front-end or whatever you are using to access DUAT. I just
tried using the telnet connection (telnet direct.duats.com) and successfully
entered a flight plan starting from HNN, which is a navaid, but there is no
airport with that identifier. Don't try to make sense of the routing, time,
etc., I just made up stuff to fill in all the fields:

1 Type of flight plan: IFR
2 Aircraft tail number: N1701D
3 Acft type/special equip: M20P/A
4 True airspeed: 150
5 Departure point: HNN
6 Departure time: (UTC) Thu May 20 20:00
7 Altitude: 60
8 Route of flight: RDU
9 Destination: RDU
10 Estimated time enroute: 0300
11 Remarks:
12 Fuel on board: 0500
13 Alternate destination(s):
14 Pilot's name: DAVID G BUTLER
Address: snip
Phone no.: snip
Aircraft home base: RDU
15 Number aboard: 1
16 Color of aircraft: TAN/BROWN
17 Dest contact name:
Phone no.:

Of course, I quit before actually -filing- the bogus plan.

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Dave

John Clonts wrote:

Side question, I have tried filing via Duats a flight plan beginning
at a navaid, and it won't let me because it tries to convert it to an
airport (e.g. XYZ Vor yields "Airport KXYZ does not exist"). Do you
know of some way around this?

Why would you do this? If you are on the ground, you'd file a composite
plan. If you are in the air, you presumably would use a radio to file.

Is it a bogus plan?

"Maule Driver" wrote in message
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John Clonts wrote:

Side question, I have tried filing via Duats a flight plan beginning
at a navaid, and it won't let me because it tries to convert it to an
airport (e.g. XYZ Vor yields "Airport KXYZ does not exist"). Do you
know of some way around this?

Why would you do this? If you are on the ground, you'd file a composite
plan. If you are in the air, you presumably would use a radio to file.

The reason I would want to do this is for the same reason you would want a
composite plan, except that I don't want the interaction with FSS for the
VFR portion (for whatever reason).

But anyway, how exactly do you file a composite plan via duats? What do you
put into each field? The AIM says to check both IFR and VFR, but the duats
web front end uses a single-select box. Does telnet duats allow you to
check both? And where do you indicate which portion of the flight is which?
Freeform in the route box, or all in the remarks section? What exactly do
you put into the departure and destination boxes?

Thanks,
John Clonts
Temple, Texas
N7NZ

"Dave Butler" wrote in message
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John Clonts wrote:

Side question, I have tried filing via Duats a flight plan beginning
at a navaid, and it won't let me because it tries to convert it to an
airport (e.g. XYZ Vor yields "Airport KXYZ does not exist"). Do you
know of some way around this?

Maybe it's the web front-end or whatever you are using to access DUAT. I
just
tried using the telnet connection (telnet direct.duats.com) and
successfully
entered a flight plan starting from HNN, which is a navaid, but there is
no
airport with that identifier. Don't try to make sense of the routing,
time,
etc., I just made up stuff to fill in all the fields:
[Snip]

I think you're right. In fact the www.duats.com front end will accept the
flight plan FILING with navaid endpoints. It's just the "Flight Planner"
portion that requires airport endpoints. Which makes some sense.

Thanks,
John Clonts
Temple, Texas
N7NZ