Saftey Pilot

: checkride. The FARs stipulate that you need a minimum of 15 hours of
: of instruction from a CFII (thought I suspect there are few who have managed
: to get away with only 15 hours from a CFII prior to taking their checkride).
: The rest can be flying around under the hood with a safety pilot (who doesn't
: even need to be instrument rated). I personally spent quite a few hours

IIRC, I believe I was one. Being the cheap ******* that I am, I flew a lot
with PP-VFR safety pilot friends to accrue the experience, and paid for only the
15 hours CFII time required. That was more than enough CFII time. So long as you
don't develop bad habits, safety-pilot time is good enough for you to learn yourself
how easily you can kill yourself if you're not good enough.

: shooting approaches with a safety pilot on board prior to my checkride. It
: was excellent practice because I didn't have a CFII on board to "bail me out"
: should I get all confused as to what the needles were trying to tell me.
: (The job of the safety pilot is, of course, to make sure you don't bonk
: into anything....).

Technically, usually bonk into any-*ONE*. If you're flying instrument
procedures by the book there should be plenty of wiggle room (by definition).

-Cory


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* Cory Papenfuss *
* Electrical Engineering candidate Ph.D. graduate student *
* Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University *
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On 03/21/06 03:13, wrote:
: checkride. The FARs stipulate that you need a minimum of 15 hours of
: of instruction from a CFII (thought I suspect there are few who have managed
: to get away with only 15 hours from a CFII prior to taking their checkride).
: The rest can be flying around under the hood with a safety pilot (who doesn't
: even need to be instrument rated). I personally spent quite a few hours

IIRC, I believe I was one. Being the cheap ******* that I am, I flew a lot
with PP-VFR safety pilot friends to accrue the experience, and paid for only the
15 hours CFII time required. That was more than enough CFII time. So long as you
don't develop bad habits, safety-pilot time is good enough for you to learn yourself
how easily you can kill yourself if you're not good enough.

: shooting approaches with a safety pilot on board prior to my checkride. It
: was excellent practice because I didn't have a CFII on board to "bail me out"
: should I get all confused as to what the needles were trying to tell me.
: (The job of the safety pilot is, of course, to make sure you don't bonk
: into anything....).

Technically, usually bonk into any-*ONE*. If you're flying instrument
procedures by the book there should be plenty of wiggle room (by definition).

True, but while you're practicing to become proficient, you're probably doing
more than a little wiggling ;-)


-Cory




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Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA

"Mark Hansen" wrote in message
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On 03/21/06 03:13, wrote:
: checkride. The FARs stipulate that you need a minimum of 15 hours of
: of instruction from a CFII (thought I suspect there are few who have
managed
: to get away with only 15 hours from a CFII prior to taking their
checkride).
: The rest can be flying around under the hood with a safety pilot (who
doesn't
: even need to be instrument rated). I personally spent quite a few hours

IIRC, I believe I was one. Being the cheap ******* that I am, I flew a
lot with PP-VFR safety pilot friends to accrue the experience, and paid
for only the 15 hours CFII time required. That was more than enough CFII
time. So long as you don't develop bad habits, safety-pilot time is good
enough for you to learn yourself how easily you can kill yourself if
you're not good enough.

: shooting approaches with a safety pilot on board prior to my checkride.
It : was excellent practice because I didn't have a CFII on board to
"bail me out"
: should I get all confused as to what the needles were trying to tell
me. : (The job of the safety pilot is, of course, to make sure you don't
bonk
: into anything....).

Technically, usually bonk into any-*ONE*. If you're flying instrument
procedures by the book there should be plenty of wiggle room (by
definition).


I have never tried bonking in a small plane. the 3000ft high club does not
sound as good.

In article , Chris wrote:
(The job of the safety pilot is, of course, to make sure you don't
bonk into anything....).

Technically, usually bonk into any-*ONE*. If you're flying instrument
procedures by the book there should be plenty of wiggle room (by
definition).

I have never tried bonking in a small plane. the 3000ft high club does not
sound as good.

That's not "bonking" you're talking about, it's "boinking".

-- Dane

... I flew a lot with PP-VFR safety pilot friends to accrue the experience,
and paid for only the 15 hours CFII time required. That was more than
enough CFII time. So long as you don't develop bad habits, safety-pilot
time is good enough for you to learn yourself how easily you can kill
yourself if you're not good enough.

In my opinion, it's rare that an instrument student would do well with just
the 15 hour minimum CFII time. And avoiding bad habits is critical. For
those who do decide to practice with a safety pilot, I strongly advice
coordinating the flights with your CFII. Have a specific plan and goal for
each flight, and don't do more than two or three practice flights in a row
without flying with your CFII.

Barry, CFII and former instrument student