How to get IFR Clearance enroute?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

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Airlines don't use DUAT for filing nor go they file with FSS briefers.
If you think the airlines don't get treated differently in many respects
then you don't know much about ATA and its FAA lackies in DC.


That's quite a leap from the computer limitations you said you were
responding to.

Not at all. The carriers make sure the skids are greased for their flight
plans to seamlessly and automatically transfer from their host to the FAA
host. Unless someone wants to manually change a route on an air carrier
domestic flight plan, no human is even involved. It all is computed and sent
to the appropriate station and the FAA in a timely manner.

I doubt Roy Smith's home PC does that.

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Not at all. The carriers make sure the skids are greased for their flight
plans to seamlessly and automatically transfer from their host to the FAA
host. Unless someone wants to manually change a route on an air carrier
domestic flight plan, no human is even involved. It all is computed and
sent to the appropriate station and the FAA in a timely manner.


Flight data processing is done exactly the same for the carriers as any
other operator.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
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Not at all. The carriers make sure the skids are greased for their flight
plans to seamlessly and automatically transfer from their host to the FAA
host. Unless someone wants to manually change a route on an air carrier
domestic flight plan, no human is even involved. It all is computed and
sent to the appropriate station and the FAA in a timely manner.



Flight data processing is done exactly the same for the carriers as any
other operator.

The difference, I think, is that the carriers have human dispatchers on the
ground to worry about all of the details for them, including filing the
original or revised flight plans. It's the same as a rich person who can
afford to pay someone to stand in line to get concert tickets -- the ticket
office isn't showing favouritism even though the rich person has it easier
that everyone else.


All the best,


David

David Megginson wrote:



The difference, I think, is that the carriers have human dispatchers on the
ground to worry about all of the details for them, including filing the
original or revised flight plans. It's the same as a rich person who can
afford to pay someone to stand in line to get concert tickets -- the ticket
office isn't showing favouritism even though the rich person has it easier
that everyone else.

The dispatcher only checks the computer-generated route and fuel burn, then
issues a dispatch release to the crew. The flight plan itself, unless changed,
is auto-filed by the carrier's flight plan computer and does not go to a FSS or
to a DUAT/DUATS interface.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:



Flight data processing is done exactly the same for the carriers as any
other operator.

That is not the point. It all started about F-I-L-I-N-G.

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That is not the point. It all started about F-I-L-I-N-G.


Actually, I think it all started with getting an IFR clearance while
enroute. At some point you injected the processing of G/A flight plans into
the discussion. What you've said about flight plan processing is wrong.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

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That is not the point. It all started about F-I-L-I-N-G.


Actually, I think it all started with getting an IFR clearance while
enroute. At some point you injected the processing of G/A flight plans into
the discussion. What you've said about flight plan processing is wrong.

What did I way that was wrong Oh Wise One?

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What did I way that was wrong Oh Wise One?


"I was responding to Roy Smith's message about FAA computer limitations for
filing. The airlines don't face those issues. And, biz jets are always
ground
filers, but they do face the same computer issues as do other G/A IFR
filers."

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
news

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Not at all. The carriers make sure the skids are greased for their
flight
plans to seamlessly and automatically transfer from their host to the
FAA
host. Unless someone wants to manually change a route on an air carrier
domestic flight plan, no human is even involved. It all is computed and
sent to the appropriate station and the FAA in a timely manner.


Flight data processing is done exactly the same for the carriers as any
other operator.

That's not what he said...he was referring to the TRANSFER of the plan from
one system to another (i.e., the carrier to the FAA).

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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That's not what he said...he was referring to the TRANSFER of the plan
from
one system to another (i.e., the carrier to the FAA).


You need to read his prior messages too.