Submitting flights to the OLC

Lorry wrote:
I have had great difficulty successfully downloading flights from my
Cambridge Model 25 data logger to the OLC. Apparently, my "Cambridge
file does not contain a G-record or the G-record file is not suited for
validation with the FAI supplied software" (quoted from Official
Comment from OLC). Their recommendtion is to use a special software
(for each submition) which involves 7 steps which, for me at least, is
far from straight forward. I am trying to do this through "SeeYou"
which was a snap last year but not now! I am only one of several
pilots submitting flights from the Senior Contest who are experiencing
this problem. Does anyone know of a practicle solution?

Lorry (LJ)


Now that the SSA is affiliated with the OLC, maybe we can get the SSA to
pressure the OLC to go back to the way it was last year, when you didn't
need a secure logger to get credit for your flight. The OLC security
requirements are a solution in search of a problem -- there aren't many
pilots who are going to fake a flight trace just to get a few more OLC
points. The OLC's love of pointless technology is well illustrated by
the 5 numbers you now must type in when you want to view a flight log.

Incidentally, the 7-step-song-and-dance for CAI 20/25 files actually
takes less than 5 minutes once you get the hang of it, though for the
last week the OLC software seems unable to validate such files.

Incidentally, the 7-step-song-and-dance for CAI 20/25 files actually
takes less than 5 minutes once you get the hang of it,


But if I understand the 2006 rules correctly I can no longer use a PDA
to download my 302 or model 25. I have to use "approved" download
software and I think that is only available for PC's and not PDA's. So
far none of my PDA downloads (GNII or CAI PDA utility) have been
rejected.


Andy

I believe you can download a log from a 302 to a pda using the Cambridge
Utility software, use that log to submit a flight to OLC and it will be
accepted. A few pilots in Florida this winter has used that method and the
flights have been accepted.

Downloads from a Model 20/25 are a different problem.

Bob Fidler

"Andy" wrote in message
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Incidentally, the 7-step-song-and-dance for CAI 20/25 files actually
takes less than 5 minutes once you get the hang of it,


But if I understand the 2006 rules correctly I can no longer use a PDA
to download my 302 or model 25. I have to use "approved" download
software and I think that is only available for PC's and not PDA's. So
far none of my PDA downloads (GNII or CAI PDA utility) have been
rejected.


Andy

This is correct. No problem with 302. Problem is with 20/25.


Bob Fidler wrote:
I believe you can download a log from a 302 to a pda using the Cambridge
Utility software, use that log to submit a flight to OLC and it will be
accepted. A few pilots in Florida this winter has used that method and the
flights have been accepted.

Downloads from a Model 20/25 are a different problem.

Bob Fidler

Bob Fidler wrote:
I believe you can download a log from a 302 to a pda using the Cambridge
Utility software, use that log to submit a flight to OLC and it will be
accepted. A few pilots in Florida this winter has used that method and the
flights have been accepted.

Downloads from a Model 20/25 are a different problem.

I use mobile SeeYou and have been using ConnectMe to dowload my flights
from my Cambridge GPS/NAV 25 and then submitting them without problem to
the OLC (Australia).

Robert

Greg Arnold wrote:
The OLC's love of pointless technology is well illustrated by
the 5 numbers you now must type in when you want to view a flight log.

I am making an assumption here, and it would be nice if an OLC
representative could respond...

The extra step needed to download a log is probably an attempt to
reduce the bandwidth of downloads from the site. It could be that they
were experiencing problems of folks downloading too many logs - maybe
with automated software.

Their solution was to use an interface that requires a human to view a
graphic and decode the text displayed before proceeding. There is also
a limit of 10 downloads a day as a friend who was having some usage
problems discovered a few weeks ago.

The limit of 10, if still there, could prove to be an issue for a club
where more than 10 flights are made in a day and one wants to compare
what happened between friends who all submit logs.

As for the issue of the G record, I agree that until it's proven that
someone is actually cheating, an "insecure" log should just be flagged
as such, and not denied.

-Tom

As for the issue of the G record, I agree that until it's proven that
someone is actually cheating, an "insecure" log should just be flagged
as such, and not denied.

-Tom


I finally got my old HP-14 flying last summer. I was looking forward to
participating in the OLC this; however, my data logger is an EW Model D. It
doesn't produce a "G" record.

Here in the US I can use the EW Model D for badges up through diamond and,
to the best of my knowledge, all SSA sanctioned contest. It is disheartening
to realize that I have to upgrade to a "secure" system to participate in the
US OLC.

I was looking forward to adding a few points the Seattle Glider Council's
total.

Isn't the object of this contest to get pilots to fly more cross-country?
Aren't these suppose to be "fun flights?" Didn't this all start as an
informal contest? I can see where this is going. Next thing you know, I
will have to install equipment worth half the value of my sailplane to
participate.

Someone please tell me that I have misunderstood this thread.

Wayne
HP-14 N990 "6F"
http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder

I should do my research prior to posting.

After reading the OLC contest documentation, I review the IGC file from one
of my flights last summer. I was mistaken, the EW Model D IGC files do have
a "G-records."

So, I guess I am in luck and will soon start posting my flights.

Wayne
HP-14 N990 "6F"
http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder/HP-14/N990/N990.html

"Wayne Paul" wrote in message
...
As for the issue of the G record, I agree that until it's proven that
someone is actually cheating, an "insecure" log should just be flagged
as such, and not denied.

-Tom


I finally got my old HP-14 flying last summer. I was looking forward to
participating in the OLC this; however, my data logger is an EW Model D.
It
doesn't produce a "G" record.

Here in the US I can use the EW Model D for badges up through diamond and,
to the best of my knowledge, all SSA sanctioned contest. It is
disheartening
to realize that I have to upgrade to a "secure" system to participate in
the
US OLC.

I was looking forward to adding a few points the Seattle Glider Council's
total.

Isn't the object of this contest to get pilots to fly more cross-country?
Aren't these suppose to be "fun flights?" Didn't this all start as an
informal contest? I can see where this is going. Next thing you know, I
will have to install equipment worth half the value of my sailplane to
participate.

Someone please tell me that I have misunderstood this thread.

Wayne
HP-14 N990 "6F"
http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder

Actually, you don't need a secure data logger for OLC. Mobile SeeYou
works just fine, as do a number of other flight software programs (some
are even free).

You're point is well taken. There is no more need for secure data
loggers in OLC than for secure data loggers for (most?) badges.
Nevertheless, you have to play by whatever rules the rulemakers decide
on.

Doug

(saving up my pennies for a 302, that's a lot of pennies)


Greg Arnold wrote:
Lorry wrote:
I have had great difficulty successfully downloading flights from my
Cambridge Model 25 data logger to the OLC. Apparently, my "Cambridge
file does not contain a G-record or the G-record file is not suited for
validation with the FAI supplied software" (quoted from Official
Comment from OLC). Their recommendtion is to use a special software
(for each submition) which involves 7 steps which, for me at least, is
far from straight forward. I am trying to do this through "SeeYou"
which was a snap last year but not now! I am only one of several
pilots submitting flights from the Senior Contest who are experiencing
this problem. Does anyone know of a practicle solution?

Lorry (LJ)


Now that the SSA is affiliated with the OLC, maybe we can get the SSA to
pressure the OLC to go back to the way it was last year, when you didn't
need a secure logger to get credit for your flight. The OLC security
requirements are a solution in search of a problem -- there aren't many
pilots who are going to fake a flight trace just to get a few more OLC
points. The OLC's love of pointless technology is well illustrated by
the 5 numbers you now must type in when you want to view a flight log.

Incidentally, the 7-step-song-and-dance for CAI 20/25 files actually
takes less than 5 minutes once you get the hang of it, though for the
last week the OLC software seems unable to validate such files.

So what's to stop someone from setting up and "flying" a task in Condor
Simulator and capturing the flight in SeeYou Mobile or other software on the
PDA? Do you get a valid G-record that way?

"Doug LS4" wrote in message
oups.com...
Actually, you don't need a secure data logger for OLC. Mobile SeeYou
works just fine, as do a number of other flight software programs (some
are even free).

You're point is well taken. There is no more need for secure data
loggers in OLC than for secure data loggers for (most?) badges.
Nevertheless, you have to play by whatever rules the rulemakers decide
on.

Doug

(saving up my pennies for a 302, that's a lot of pennies)


Greg Arnold wrote:
Lorry wrote:
I have had great difficulty successfully downloading flights from my
Cambridge Model 25 data logger to the OLC. Apparently, my "Cambridge
file does not contain a G-record or the G-record file is not suited for
validation with the FAI supplied software" (quoted from Official
Comment from OLC). Their recommendtion is to use a special software
(for each submition) which involves 7 steps which, for me at least, is
far from straight forward. I am trying to do this through "SeeYou"
which was a snap last year but not now! I am only one of several
pilots submitting flights from the Senior Contest who are experiencing
this problem. Does anyone know of a practicle solution?

Lorry (LJ)


Now that the SSA is affiliated with the OLC, maybe we can get the SSA to
pressure the OLC to go back to the way it was last year, when you didn't
need a secure logger to get credit for your flight. The OLC security
requirements are a solution in search of a problem -- there aren't many
pilots who are going to fake a flight trace just to get a few more OLC
points. The OLC's love of pointless technology is well illustrated by
the 5 numbers you now must type in when you want to view a flight log.

Incidentally, the 7-step-song-and-dance for CAI 20/25 files actually
takes less than 5 minutes once you get the hang of it, though for the
last week the OLC software seems unable to validate such files.