Would this plane have flown?

Family values?

We all get there together, where the plane goes. "Daddy,
why are we dead?"



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"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
oups.com...
| I would not have felt qualified to determine whether it
was flyable or
| not, so I probably would not have flown it without
getting an opinion
| and a ferry permit from an A&P (and I am not above
making the A&P fly
| with me). My main concerns would be weakened attach
points and possibly
| some sort of flutter induced by disrupted airflow over
the aileron.
|
| That is exactly how I felt (although I was less concerned
with the
| permit itself). I was getting lots of advice but it felt
good to have
| an A&P come out and give me his opinion. It would have
been nice to get
| the opinion of an aerospace engineer but I wasn't going to
hold my
| breath for that. I did have the A&P come with me on the
test flight
| after the repair before I put the family in the plane. My
main concern
| had also been flutter resulting from the uneven surface.
| My broker seems to believe that it would be very unlikely
that this
| will effect my rates in the future. I"m hoping that they
are able to
| collect from the truck's Mexican liability policy too.
BTW: I wonder
| how often people drop their plane off for annual and the
mechanic
| borrows parts off it to retrieve another plane without the
owner ever
| knowing.
|
| -Robert
|

Family values?

We all get there together, where the plane goes. "Daddy,
why are we dead?"

Jim,

I'm not sure what type of stupid statement you are trying to make. The
plane was fixed (minus mismatched paint). How many years do you
normally require a plane sit idle after the A&P repairs the plane
before you fly it??

-Robert

Was it repaired and completely inspected or were more
repairs done on return to the USA? The indications that I
had from the thread was that more repairs/inspections were
done on the airplane after it returned to the US. Yet you
carried your family after major repairs caused by damage.

Glad you got away with it, but what would you have done had
the bell crank on the aileron been damaged and stuck the
aileron full up or down? What would have done if something
else was hidden in the controls that was not repaired? You
obviously had a question, why else did you start this
thread?

FAR requires a test flight after repairs and that you, the
pilot doing the test make a logbook entry, right after the
A&P release to service, before any passengers are carried.
Without a ferry permit [special airworthiness certificate]
the A&P can only return the aircraft to service if it is in
the same condition as a "new airplane" or all repairs are
completed. If you are stopped by the FAA on a ramp check,
hope all your paperwork is perfect.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P


"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
ups.com...
| Family values?
|
| We all get there together, where the plane goes.
"Daddy,
| why are we dead?"
|
| Jim,
|
| I'm not sure what type of stupid statement you are trying
to make. The
| plane was fixed (minus mismatched paint). How many years
do you
| normally require a plane sit idle after the A&P repairs
the plane
| before you fly it??
|
| -Robert
|

Was it repaired and completely inspected or were more
repairs done on return to the USA? The indications that I
had from the thread was that more repairs/inspections were
done on the airplane after it returned to the US. Yet you
carried your family after major repairs caused by damage.

Quoting from the original post "I was able to call an A&P to come down
to Mexico and swap it for me." Sadly, the other Mooney owners wants his
back (go figure) so yes, more repairs were also done back home (like
ordering a factory new aileron for me, paint etc). Yes it was
inspected in Mexico by the A&P doing the work and all wing panels
relevant to aileron control were removed before the A&P got in the
plane with me and we performed the test flight. I honestly don't know
what else to do with regard to inspection other than having had the A&P
look at it. I could ask Mooney if they want to send an engineer down
but I don't think that is going to happen.

Jim, I'm still highly offended by your comment about my family.

-Robert

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
ups.com...

Quoting from the original post "I was able to call an A&P to come down
to Mexico and swap it for me." Sadly, the other Mooney owners wants his
back (go figure) so yes, more repairs were also done back home (like
ordering a factory new aileron for me, paint etc). Yes it was
inspected in Mexico by the A&P doing the work and all wing panels
relevant to aileron control were removed before the A&P got in the
plane with me and we performed the test flight. I honestly don't know
what else to do with regard to inspection other than having had the A&P
look at it. I could ask Mooney if they want to send an engineer down
but I don't think that is going to happen.

Jim, I'm still highly offended by your comment about my family.

-Robert

IMHO you did everything that could have reasonably been expected.

Then you answered the question, IF you really had a complete
repair and the A&P did make a "return to service" entry. If
he did all that and you did a test flight [you really should
not have carried a passenger, which the A&P would be] and
made the pilot's return to service after test flight, then
what was your question, should you have just flown it away
without any work/inspection or repair?

As for your family, my comment was about your judgment, if
you want to substitute three strangers from the beach,
that's fine with me.


BTW, since some FAA types read these groups, they have your
N number.



"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
ups.com...
| Was it repaired and completely inspected or were more
| repairs done on return to the USA? The indications that
I
| had from the thread was that more repairs/inspections
were
| done on the airplane after it returned to the US. Yet
you
| carried your family after major repairs caused by
damage.
|
| Quoting from the original post "I was able to call an A&P
to come down
| to Mexico and swap it for me." Sadly, the other Mooney
owners wants his
| back (go figure) so yes, more repairs were also done back
home (like
| ordering a factory new aileron for me, paint etc). Yes it
was
| inspected in Mexico by the A&P doing the work and all wing
panels
| relevant to aileron control were removed before the A&P
got in the
| plane with me and we performed the test flight. I honestly
don't know
| what else to do with regard to inspection other than
having had the A&P
| look at it. I could ask Mooney if they want to send an
engineer down
| but I don't think that is going to happen.
|
| Jim, I'm still highly offended by your comment about my
family.
|
| -Robert
|

then what was your question, should you have just flown it away
without any work/inspection or repair?

Jim, again quoting from the original post..
"From a simply academic point of view I"m curious what you guys think."
I was just curious how it would have flown since I obviously did not
fly it.

Again, I was very offended by your comment.

-Robert

And we have your name. Guess which one more people will remember?

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
news:FdCUf.454$t22.144@dukeread08...
Then you answered the question, IF you really had a complete
repair and the A&P did make a "return to service" entry. If
he did all that and you did a test flight [you really should
not have carried a passenger, which the A&P would be] and
made the pilot's return to service after test flight, then
what was your question, should you have just flown it away
without any work/inspection or repair?

As for your family, my comment was about your judgment, if
you want to substitute three strangers from the beach,
that's fine with me.


BTW, since some FAA types read these groups, they have your
N number.



"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
ups.com...
| Was it repaired and completely inspected or were more
| repairs done on return to the USA? The indications that
I
| had from the thread was that more repairs/inspections
were
| done on the airplane after it returned to the US. Yet
you
| carried your family after major repairs caused by
damage.
|
| Quoting from the original post "I was able to call an A&P
to come down
| to Mexico and swap it for me." Sadly, the other Mooney
owners wants his
| back (go figure) so yes, more repairs were also done back
home (like
| ordering a factory new aileron for me, paint etc). Yes it
was
| inspected in Mexico by the A&P doing the work and all wing
panels
| relevant to aileron control were removed before the A&P
got in the
| plane with me and we performed the test flight. I honestly
don't know
| what else to do with regard to inspection other than
having had the A&P
| look at it. I could ask Mooney if they want to send an
engineer down
| but I don't think that is going to happen.
|
| Jim, I'm still highly offended by your comment about my
family.
|
| -Robert
|




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I meet people all the time who say, "Hey Jim, didn't you go
to Spartan 35 years ago?" or some other such. I always use
my real name, Google for "James H. Macklin" (use the quotes)
and I'm not the Ph.D from California.


"Juan Jimenez" wrote in message
om...
| And we have your name. Guess which one more people will
remember?
|
| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in message
| news:FdCUf.454$t22.144@dukeread08...
| Then you answered the question, IF you really had a
complete
| repair and the A&P did make a "return to service" entry.
If
| he did all that and you did a test flight [you really
should
| not have carried a passenger, which the A&P would be]
and
| made the pilot's return to service after test flight,
then
| what was your question, should you have just flown it
away
| without any work/inspection or repair?
|
| As for your family, my comment was about your judgment,
if
| you want to substitute three strangers from the beach,
| that's fine with me.
|
|
| BTW, since some FAA types read these groups, they have
your
| N number.
|
|
|
| "Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
|
ups.com...
| | Was it repaired and completely inspected or were more
| | repairs done on return to the USA? The indications
that
| I
| | had from the thread was that more
repairs/inspections
| were
| | done on the airplane after it returned to the US.
Yet
| you
| | carried your family after major repairs caused by
| damage.
| |
| | Quoting from the original post "I was able to call an
A&P
| to come down
| | to Mexico and swap it for me." Sadly, the other Mooney
| owners wants his
| | back (go figure) so yes, more repairs were also done
back
| home (like
| | ordering a factory new aileron for me, paint etc).
Yes it
| was
| | inspected in Mexico by the A&P doing the work and all
wing
| panels
| | relevant to aileron control were removed before the
A&P
| got in the
| | plane with me and we performed the test flight. I
honestly
| don't know
| | what else to do with regard to inspection other than
| having had the A&P
| | look at it. I could ask Mooney if they want to send an
| engineer down
| | but I don't think that is going to happen.
| |
| | Jim, I'm still highly offended by your comment about
my
| family.
| |
| | -Robert
| |
|
|
|
|
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