alexis park inn and aviation videos

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
ups.com...
My impression of his post is that somehow, email is going around
advertising
your hotel by using the aviation video page as a lure.

Dang -- THAT is a pretty loose definition of "Spam".

That's like saying that AvWeb is a spammer because a friend recommends
it to me. After all, AvWeb has advertisers, and stands to gain from my
dropping by their site.

Depends on the email. The implication I saw in Martin's post (not like he's
bothered to be clear about what his point really is or anything) is that the
email he received was sent by you for the sole purpose of advertising.

That's a little different from a word-of-mouth recommendation for AvWeb.

Of course, since he didn't bother to provide any details about the email
he's talking about, there's no real evidence it was sent for the sole
purpose of advertising. In fact, the lack of details suggests he's just
grinding his axe again, and has no valid complaint.

It may well be true that you are in technical violation of copyright law in
some of the cases (I suspect at least some the author made a statement
somewhere along the line granted distribution rights, so even if you are
violating copyright law, I doubt it's 100% of the videos ). However, as
you've pointed out you would take down any video someone complained about.
None of the videos represent a potential loss of income (in contrast to the
music file sharing Martin's comparing you with), and I doubt anyone would be
able to come up with a valid claim of economic damages.

On top of that, very few of the videos on your web site are unavailable
broadly on the Internet. What makes your page unique is that the videos are
collected in one place, and include commentary original to you and your site
(which itself would be protected under copyright law if some *other* web
site "borrowed" for their own use ). The mere presence of the videos is
not unusual, and simply mirrors their similar presence numerous other places
on the Internet (which doesn't necessarily make it legal, but it does
suggest it's not a big deal).

It seems to me that, a long time ago, Martin did occasionally post about
something related to flying. You and I and others are all guilty of
off-topic diversions, but we always come back to flying. Martin's been out
in left field for a while now. I don't know why he's holding such a grudge
against your video page. But as long as he keeps at it, I'll be happy to
reply pointing out how silly he's being.

Pete

On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:12:30 -0800, Peter Duniho wrote:

Of course, since he didn't bother to provide any details about the email
he's talking about, there's no real evidence it was sent for the sole
purpose of advertising.

I quoted the whole email including subject. Only the headers are missing.
And since the mail came from our system the headers are not of much help.

#m
--
[...] Then I drove home with one eye glued to the rearview mirror.
Didn¹t see anything suspicious but if I turn up missing one day,
just forward my mail to General Delivery, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7624.shtml

"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
...
I quoted the whole email including subject. Only the headers are missing.
And since the mail came from our system the headers are not of much help.

You are claiming that your own email system sent out a piece of spam
advertising Jay's hotel through the use of the aviation videos page?

It seems to me you should be looking at your own email system then, rather
than haranguing Jay (and the rest of this newsgroup).

Pete

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 10:37:57 -0800, Peter Duniho wrote:

I quoted the whole email including subject. Only the headers are missing.
And since the mail came from our system the headers are not of much help.

You are claiming that your own email system sent out a piece of spam
advertising Jay's hotel through the use of the aviation videos page?

a pilot friend who is also sort of my customer forwarded me the mail.

It seems to me you should be looking at your own email system then, rather
than haranguing Jay (and the rest of this newsgroup).

clean in front of your door first, please. &%/&§$"§"%&%&%$$!!!!

Pete

#m
--
[...] Then I drove home with one eye glued to the rearview mirror.
Didn¹t see anything suspicious but if I turn up missing one day,
just forward my mail to General Delivery, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7624.shtml

"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
...
a pilot friend who is also sort of my customer forwarded me the mail.

Then why did you say "the mail came from our system"?

Either you know where the email came from or you don't. If you do, then
post the details. If you don't, then you have no reason to accuse Jay of
being involved at all.

Pete

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 17:57:05 -0800, Peter Duniho wrote:

a pilot friend who is also sort of my customer forwarded me the mail.

Then why did you say "the mail came from our system"?

are you that ignorant or are you only plaing the clown here?

the mail came from our system. read: our mailserver. and before that it was
forwarded from elsewhere. you know: a mailserver can handle more than one
domain. and there are people out there who sell such services for a living.

Either you know where the email came from or you don't. If you do, then
post the details. If you don't, then you have no reason to accuse Jay of
being involved at all.

well, I blame the whole "misunderstanding" on different viewpoints here and
over there. We see things a whole bunch different than you do, apparently.

Pete

#m
--
[...] Then I drove home with one eye glued to the rearview mirror.
Didn¹t see anything suspicious but if I turn up missing one day,
just forward my mail to General Delivery, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7624.shtml

"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
...
are you that ignorant or are you only plaing the clown here?

Neither. You are failing to communicate properly.

the mail came from our system. read: our mailserver. and before that it
was
forwarded from elsewhere. [...]

"Came from" implies point of origin. Just because it went *through* your
mail system, that does NOT mean it "came from" your mail system.

well, I blame the whole "misunderstanding" on different viewpoints here
and
over there. We see things a whole bunch different than you do, apparently.

"Here" and "over there" To what are you referring now? Who is "we"? What
do "they" have to do with your accusation of Jay as a spammer?

Pete

On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:12:30 -0800, Peter Duniho wrote:

None of the videos represent a potential loss of income (in contrast to the
music file sharing Martin's comparing you with), and I doubt anyone would be
able to come up with a valid claim of economic damages.

Hah! If I download music there is no economic damage. I won't by the CD. So
prove the loss for the music industry.

#m
--
[...] Then I drove home with one eye glued to the rearview mirror.
Didn¹t see anything suspicious but if I turn up missing one day,
just forward my mail to General Delivery, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7624.shtml

"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
...
Hah! If I download music there is no economic damage. I won't by the CD.

There is, however, a CD for sale to buy.

So prove the loss for the music industry.

I don't need to. The law presumes it.

Pete

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 10:36:22 -0800, Peter Duniho wrote:

Hah! If I download music there is no economic damage. I won't by the CD.

There is, however, a CD for sale to buy.


and what now? _I_ _won't_ _buy_ _the_ _CD_. Neither if I would have
downloaded the music nor if I hadn't. (But the chances are higher if I've
heard the CD before; and if it is not copy-protected.)

So prove the loss for the music industry.

I don't need to. The law presumes it.

wow. and this is not true for videos?

Pete

#m
--
[...] Then I drove home with one eye glued to the rearview mirror.
Didn¹t see anything suspicious but if I turn up missing one day,
just forward my mail to General Delivery, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7624.shtml