alexis park inn and aviation videos

"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
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and what now? _I_ _won't_ _buy_ _the_ _CD_.

The fact remains that there is a legal option for you to obtain the CD. If
you feel the price for the CD is too high, your morally correct choice is to
simply not own it.

That's what I do with things that cost more than I want to, or can, spend.

I don't need to. The law presumes it.

wow. and this is not true for videos?

Video copyright is exactly the same as music copyright. However, not all
copyrighted material is available at any price, nor are all copyright owners
as finicky about people making use of their copyrighted material as the RIAA
and MPAA are.

Jay's use of non-commercially-available low-quality web videos is very
different from your own illegal music file sharing, at least from a moral
stance if not legal.

Pete

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 18:00:46 -0800, Peter Duniho wrote:

Video copyright is exactly the same as music copyright.

..... how good to hear.

However, not all
copyrighted material is available at any price,

and this gives you exactly which rights?

nor are all copyright owners
as finicky about people making use of their copyrighted material as the RIAA
and MPAA are.

then they are free to give proper permission.
you have no permission? well .... you now can play our your moral (see
below).

Jay's use of non-commercially-available low-quality web videos is very
different from your own illegal music file sharing,

I never said that I (illegaly) downloaded music. I only said "if I WOULD".

at least from a moral
stance if not legal.

f*ck the moral. My moral is different than yours and different than the one
of 5 billion other people.

Pete

#m
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[...] Then I drove home with one eye glued to the rearview mirror.
Didn¹t see anything suspicious but if I turn up missing one day,
just forward my mail to General Delivery, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7624.shtml

Do you have the impression this thread is an example of not following
the sage advice that suggests "When you find yourself in a hole, stop
digging"?

"Tony" wrote in message
ups.com...
Do you have the impression this thread is an example of not following
the sage advice that suggests "When you find yourself in a hole, stop
digging"?


Advice -- the wise don't need it, and the fool won't heed it.

"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
...
[...]
f*ck the moral. My moral is different than yours and different than the
one
of 5 billion other people.

Ahh...and there is the crux. You feel that your version of morality is the
only relevant one, and if that doesn't preclude a false accusation against
another person, then "f*ck" that (your word, not mine).

Well, thank you for clearing up how we got here. I can't say I was
expecting much different, but it's nice for you to finally be clear and
admit your unwarranted attack on Jay.

Pete

For unattributed works, there are generally two things that you could do
with it:

1. Do not put it on your website until you have permission of the
copyright holder or find where the copyright holder has released it to
the public domain.
2. Put it on your website, with the offer to remove it at the request of
the copyright holder. Usually has a line that says "Author (or
whatever)" unknown.

Obviously, most people choose #2. As long as they abide by their
promise to remove works at the request of the copyright holder, there
shouldn't be any problem.

If an unattributed work is available freely from multiple places on the
internet, a copyright holder is going to have a hard time getting any
substantial damages.

Because we are talking about unattributed works (aviation videos that
are not available for purchase), downloading and file sharing of music
from known artists and publishers is not the same.

Downloading music without paying for it is illegal, since the work is 1)
copyrighted, 2) available for legal purchase and 3) from a known artist.

Martin Hotze wrote:
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 18:00:46 -0800, Peter Duniho wrote:

Video copyright is exactly the same as music copyright.

.... how good to hear.

However, not all
copyrighted material is available at any price,

and this gives you exactly which rights?

nor are all copyright owners
as finicky about people making use of their copyrighted material as the RIAA
and MPAA are.

then they are free to give proper permission.
you have no permission? well .... you now can play our your moral (see
below).

Jay's use of non-commercially-available low-quality web videos is very
different from your own illegal music file sharing,

I never said that I (illegaly) downloaded music. I only said "if I WOULD".

at least from a moral
stance if not legal.

f*ck the moral. My moral is different than yours and different than the one
of 5 billion other people.

Pete

#m

"Neb" wrote in message
...
For unattributed works, there are generally two things that you could do
with it:

1. Do not put it on your website until you have permission of the
copyright holder or find where the copyright holder has released it to the
public domain.
2. Put it on your website, with the offer to remove it at the request of
the copyright holder. Usually has a line that says "Author (or whatever)"
unknown.

Obviously, most people choose #2. As long as they abide by their promise
to remove works at the request of the copyright holder, there shouldn't be
any problem.


Don't count on it.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.soaring/browse_frm/thread/cefacb1942bbeca2/eecf1785033147ca?q=copyright&rnum=6#eecf1785033147 ca

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