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i have less than 300 hrs in the hornet, and my comments about beating
the eagle in bfm are from my experience only. on my squadron the eagle is generally regarded as a poor turning platform and i tend to agree. you need to remember sustained turn performance is but one measure of fighter capability. |
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![]() wrote in message oups.com... i have less than 300 hrs in the hornet, and my comments about beating the eagle in bfm are from my experience only. on my squadron the eagle is generally regarded as a poor turning platform and i tend to agree. you need to remember sustained turn performance is but one measure of fighter capability. The F-18, with the latest software, can point its nose with alacrity. Of course, the energy state is zip-point-xxxx. A turkey or eagle attempting to grovel in such a fight will lose, and rather quickly. OTOH, by taking the fight vertical and ever-aft, the higher energy fighters can slowly gain the advantage. It's a fight that takes patience and skill. Anchor-out engagements tend to create targets for the unseen bogey. The Bug's greatest vulnerability exists in the disengagement. There's not much it can outrun ... so you'd better hope you're the last man standing. Did you get your wings at NQI or NMM? R / John |
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neither - YMJ - I'm a Canadian hornet driver. And your point about
energy is absolutely true- It's fairly easy to bleed down to zero knots pointing the nose and most of our guys try to stay away from that - the hornet is still a decent vertical fighter - I haven't been all that impressed with the Eagles vertical capability, can't speak for the tomcat as I'm sure I'll never get a chance to fight one. Your comments about hornet bleed rate and energy addition are also true, one of the hugest shortcomings. As for the anchoring comment, I agree - I'd rather have the extra mach and altitude to put on an AMRAAM shot than unlimited alpha anyday - that's where the eagle shines and I imagine the tomcat as well. I'd have to say that the jet I have been most impressed with are the newer block bigmouth Vipers for manoeuverablity- truly eye watering t/w. John Carrier wrote: wrote in message oups.com... i have less than 300 hrs in the hornet, and my comments about beating the eagle in bfm are from my experience only. on my squadron the eagle is generally regarded as a poor turning platform and i tend to agree. you need to remember sustained turn performance is but one measure of fighter capability. The F-18, with the latest software, can point its nose with alacrity. Of course, the energy state is zip-point-xxxx. A turkey or eagle attempting to grovel in such a fight will lose, and rather quickly. OTOH, by taking the fight vertical and ever-aft, the higher energy fighters can slowly gain the advantage. It's a fight that takes patience and skill. Anchor-out engagements tend to create targets for the unseen bogey. The Bug's greatest vulnerability exists in the disengagement. There's not much it can outrun ... so you'd better hope you're the last man standing. Did you get your wings at NQI or NMM? R / John |
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Fred J. McCall wrote:
AESA is a force multiplier if you wind up going air-to-air. If you really want a real decisive force multiplier, get stand-off precision strike weapons (since the A+ allows you to use them). Then you can just stay away from the other guy to start with. assuming you are fighting on his ground. |
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hey, good to see guys are still chatting away - i'm currently flying
with 416 squadron in cold lake- no flying for me but we did do a 4 v unk DCA mission in our new sim - i think it ended up being 4 v 12 mig 29 which was pretty cool. the sim is great for bvr work and the idea is eventually to network outside of the existing 4 ship capability to sims on other bases in Canada and the US for lfe type stuff. Our Hornet is basically upgraded between an A+ and a C, in that we had no need for the EPE engine in that we didn't incorporate the airframe weight additions that the C model did. All I can say is that I can't imagine ever fighting in the legacy model - we kept some for NORAD work and the capability difference is huge. your comments about getting into the booth are pretty true - guys tend to view a mission as a failure of red air gets inside of decision range or abort range for sure (bogeys excepted of course). Part 1 of the upgrade is complete for about 1.5 years. it consists of OFP 19C, APG-73 radar, AN/APX-111 combined IFF interrogator/txpdr (awesome piece of kit) , GPS, AIM-120C5 (nice!). the jets are just starting to go away now for part 2 which is colour DDIs/ digital moving map, JDAM, Link-16 (huge jump in capability there) and JHMCS. We are also picking up new flir pods ( I heard today most likely litening 2 and most definitely not ATFLIR, which according to our marine exchange pilot, sucks. We were also on track to get ASRAAM as our high off boresite missile but I think that is on the back burner for now. |
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