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In article ckFXf.14864$6a1.2932@fed1read04, Sam Spade
wrote:

When you GA guys start paying users' fees, keep in mind that is King
George at work, too.

you mean the user fees pushed during Clinton/Gore?

oops. Sorry, didn't mean to inject actual fact into any anti-Bush subthread.

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

Bob Noel wrote:
In article ckFXf.14864$6a1.2932@fed1read04, Sam Spade
wrote:


When you GA guys start paying users' fees, keep in mind that is King
George at work, too.


you mean the user fees pushed during Clinton/Gore?

oops. Sorry, didn't mean to inject actual fact into any anti-Bush subthread.

Sure, those Demo boys knew the country was overextended, so they floated
that concept.

And, I agree, had Gore been elected rather than Bush in 2000 user fees
*may* have come to pass sooner.

But, they will come to pass under King George, because we now have no
choice.

Yes, I am anti-Bush, and I didn't like Gore either.

King George has expanded federal spending and the deficient beyond the
wildest dreams of the tax-and-spend lefties.

In article YEGXf.14873$6a1.3816@fed1read04, Sam Spade
wrote:

King George has expanded federal spending and the deficient beyond the
wildest dreams of the tax-and-spend lefties.

The President doesn't appropriate money. Try to learn what branch of
the Federal government does what...

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

Bob Noel wrote:
In article YEGXf.14873$6a1.3816@fed1read04, Sam Spade
wrote:

King George has expanded federal spending and the deficient beyond the
wildest dreams of the tax-and-spend lefties.

The President doesn't appropriate money. Try to learn what branch of
the Federal government does what...

And Government policy is not decided by popularity polls or loud
expressions of pain and discomfort. Further, childish disrespect for
the President is unlikely to accomplish anything.

Bob Noel wrote:
In article YEGXf.14873$6a1.3816@fed1read04, Sam Spade
wrote:


King George has expanded federal spending and the deficient beyond the
wildest dreams of the tax-and-spend lefties.


The President doesn't appropriate money. Try to learn what branch of
the Federal government does what...

Oh, you mean the Consititutional mandate that Congress must *approve*
appropriation bills?

Who submits those appropriations for the most part, and who provides the
leadership for discretionary spending?

Again, your sarcasm shows more heat than light.

Congress invaded Iraq?

For many years, Congress always said that the President's
budget was "dead on arrival" because they never followed it.

The mandate is that all tax bills must begin in the House,
the President is supposed to submit a proposed budget and
the Senate confirms appointments and treaties.

One of the charges against R.M. Nixon was that he refused to
spend all the money that Congress appropriated, he exercised
administrative powers. So as part of the post-Watergate
"reforms" Congress wrote the law on the budget and President
Ford, a long term member of Congress signed it into law.
The change in the budget process exactly coincides with the
run-away national debt and increasing deficit spending. The
change, all budget items are expected to increase 10% per
year so 110% become the base amount. This is baseline
budgeting.

Also, the President is REQUIRED by law to spend every dime
Congress appropriates, he has only one administrative power,
he can veto a bill. This failure of George Bush, and his
signing of McCain-Fiengold, may be his worst failures as
President.

Look at the books that have graphs of the Federal debt and
note that the debt was level from the end of WWII to the
Viet Nam war, with just spikes, but after Watergate the
budget, debt and spending went nearly straight up.


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"Sam Spade" wrote in message
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| Bob Noel wrote:
| In article YEGXf.14873$6a1.3816@fed1read04, Sam Spade

| wrote:
|
|
| King George has expanded federal spending and the
deficient beyond the
| wildest dreams of the tax-and-spend lefties.
|
|
| The President doesn't appropriate money. Try to learn
what branch of
| the Federal government does what...
|
| Oh, you mean the Consititutional mandate that Congress
must *approve*
| appropriation bills?
|
| Who submits those appropriations for the most part, and
who provides the
| leadership for discretionary spending?
|
| Again, your sarcasm shows more heat than light.
|
| Congress invaded Iraq?

On Sun, 2 Apr 2006 08:03:30 -0500, "Jim Macklin"
wrote:

Look at the books that have graphs of the Federal debt and
note that the debt was level from the end of WWII to the
Viet Nam war, with just spikes, but after Watergate the
budget, debt and spending went nearly straight up.

As did the Consumer Price Index. So was inflation driving the budget and
debt, or was it the other way around?


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

Budget driven by Congressional methods, inflation was
keeping score of the devalued money.

1960, Federal budget was about 88 Billion dollars, 1962
JFK's first budget was 101 Billion dollars and it caused an
outrage for a peace-time budget. JFK proposed 20 billion to
go to moon in ten years, then LBJ had the Great Society
which was just welfare and entitlement spending. Even so,
it was kept in check by the budget policy laws and the
Presidential powers of veto and impoundment.
Inflation is caused by monetary policy and the printing
press. Wages and prices follow the declining value of the
money trying to keep hourly equivalent value.

WWII was financed by bonds at fixed interest rates. Some
government accountant figured out that inflation reduced the
cost to the government of repaying those guaranteed loans
[bonds] which means that only the government profits from
inflation. Banks and companies or individuals are harmed by
the loss of value of their money and debt.

It is so easy to spend money and have nothing to show but
debt a year later. College kids buy pizza and beer with a
Visa card, government buys votes with "free" medical care
and food. Rather than building and then maintaining the
roads and bridges, the government buys more votes with some
"new" programs.

I would like to see spending follow the Constitutional
priorities, military and defense first, but that will not
happen, too may special interests seeking government money
for their private projects [stadiums come to mind] rather
than the essential services that only a government can
provide [defense of the nation].


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties.


"Ron Rosenfeld" wrote in message
...
| On Sun, 2 Apr 2006 08:03:30 -0500, "Jim Macklin"
| wrote:
|
| Look at the books that have graphs of the Federal debt
and
| note that the debt was level from the end of WWII to the
| Viet Nam war, with just spikes, but after Watergate the
| budget, debt and spending went nearly straight up.
|
| As did the Consumer Price Index. So was inflation driving
the budget and
| debt, or was it the other way around?
|
|
| Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)