Iran's torpedo

~Nins~ wrote:
John C wrote:
|| Can Iran potentially put a nuclear weapon on the tip of that torpedo
|| and take out one of our carriers?
|| If so this poses a real threat to our ships. If the weapon is as
|| good as they say it is.

I don't know anything about this topic, but I've read here and there.
Wouldn't they need to have a way of getting those close enough, without
detection, to deliver them to the target? I would think, and hope, the
carriers would detect something was up long before they were able to get a
good shot at 'em.

I wouldn't be suprised that given the narrow waters down around the
straight that a lone atomic mine wouldn't have decent odds of being
able to take out a carrier.

Laying the mine might be considered a hazardous undertaking though.

US carriers crave deep water - the idea that a skipper would risk a
strategic asset (his ship, crew, airwing, and of course, his own
career!) by taking the CV into the gulf is a non-starter. A/C can
easily fly from one end of the gulf to the other (there is tanker
support after all), and penetrate the gulf from far out into the NAS
and IO. Whatever wants to sink a carrier has to get out into Gonzo and
Kermit Station, putting the delivery platform under the guns of the USN
for hundreds of miles. On war day, anything we remotedly considered a
delivery platform is going to have a hard time putting out fires.

v/r
Gordon
PS, that doesn't mean I am not rightly impressed with this Russian
technology transfer.

Gordon wrote:
US carriers crave deep water - the idea that a skipper would risk a
strategic asset (his ship, crew, airwing, and of course, his own
career!) by taking the CV into the gulf is a non-starter.

Umm, I was under the impression that carriers have been in the Gulf for
some years now and were likely to be there for a few more.

A/C can
easily fly from one end of the gulf to the other (there is tanker
support after all), and penetrate the gulf from far out into the NAS
and IO. Whatever wants to sink a carrier has to get out into Gonzo and
Kermit Station, putting the delivery platform under the guns of the USN
for hundreds of miles. On war day, anything we remotedly considered a
delivery platform is going to have a hard time putting out fires.

v/r
Gordon
PS, that doesn't mean I am not rightly impressed with this Russian
technology transfer.

No kidding?? that used to be verboten!

sorry to be spouting bad gouge.

v/r Gordon

"Gordon" wrote in message
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No kidding?? that used to be verboten!

sorry to be spouting bad gouge.

v/r Gordon

they have operated in the gulf and the red sea since 1990 at least for
operations against Iraq.

Gordon wrote:
No kidding?? that used to be verboten!

sorry to be spouting bad gouge.

v/r Gordon

Gordon,
The US has been operating carriers in the Persian Gulf for some years
now. It annoys the hell out of the Iranians. They are always sending
MPAs out to try and identify carriers and their escorts. Their ship
recognition is crap. Their intelligence guys must have nightmares
trying to collate all the crap vis reports that both the IRGC and the
IRIAF send back to base? Their MPAs are forever getting warned off on
freq.

TJ

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Gordon wrote:
No kidding?? that used to be verboten!

sorry to be spouting bad gouge.

v/r Gordon

Gordon,
The US has been operating carriers in the Persian Gulf for some years
now. It annoys the hell out of the Iranians. They are always sending
MPAs out to try and identify carriers and their escorts. Their ship
recognition is crap. Their intelligence guys must have nightmares
trying to collate all the crap vis reports that both the IRGC and the
IRIAF send back to base? Their MPAs are forever getting warned off on
freq.

TJ


My ship, the TR (CVN-71), was in the gulf from october 2005-march 2006. We
cruised just off the iranian coast while bombing iraq for almost a month
just to **** them off. They kept sending out boats to intercept us claiming
we were violating their territory but they stopped after we started firing
warning shots. they didn't find 5 .50 cals shooting at them very appealing.
G

Jason

Gordon wrote:
No kidding?? that used to be verboten!

sorry to be spouting bad gouge.

To be honest, I don't know that you are. I know several people have
responded in support of what I said (the second time); unfortunitly you
knew what I meant, that carriers were in the Red Sea.

Looking quickly, I can find note that Enterprise was in the Red Sea in
2003 & 2004, Kennedy in 2004, Eisenhower in 2000, Carl Vension in 2005,
the Washingon in 2004, Truman in 2004 & 2005.
That's according to
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/where.htm

Not as a heavy a commitment as I though, but still in and out.

Gordon wrote:
No kidding?? that used to be verboten!

sorry to be spouting bad gouge.

To be honest, I don't know that you are. I know several people have
responded in support of what I said (the second time); unfortunitly you
knew what I meant, that carriers were in the Red Sea.

Looking quickly, I can find note that Enterprise was in the Red Sea in
2003 & 2004, Kennedy in 2004, Eisenhower in 2000, Carl Vension in 2005,
the Washingon in 2004, Truman in 2004 & 2005.
That's according to
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/where.htm

Not as a heavy a commitment as I though, but still in and out.

Gordon wrote:
|| No kidding?? that used to be verboten!
||
|| sorry to be spouting bad gouge.
||
|| v/r Gordon

Wasn't the Constellation in the Gulf region back at the beginning of 2003?
I seem to recall an article where Rumsfield wanted to add 2-4 more carriers
in that region at the time. Given their size I doubt they would position
themselves in an area too close to the mainland, right? I saw the
Enterprise once, and I was just flabbergasted at the size - totally awesome.
I wanted to find someone to see about going aboard, or find a way of getting
aboard, but my husband (now my ex-, but still on friendly terms), a Marine,
steered me away from it. lol. All I wanted was to step aboard it, so I
could say I've been aboard the Enterprise. It wasn't like I was going to go
in search of Kirk or Spock. Geez....