Class C Airspace Discussion

Crazy and potentially dangerous because of the 180 degree turn or because
you arrived unexpected and unannounced in busy airspace? What else would
you expect the tower controller to do at that point?

Personally, (as you know) I expected the RFD approach controller to be
on the same sheet of music as the JVL tower controller. They are 25.6
miles apart, and work together hand-in-glove MOST of the time.

Just not that day...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Personally, (as you know) I expected the RFD approach controller to be
on the same sheet of music as the JVL tower controller. They are 25.6
miles apart, and work together hand-in-glove MOST of the time.

Just not that day...


What same sheet of music did you expect them to be on? You were operating
VFR in Class E and D airspace. There was no requirement for you to be in
contact with RFD approach at any time, there is a requirement for you to
contact JVL tower prior to entering Class D airspace, yet you blame RFD
approach for dumping Mary into the Class D airspace. Is RFD approach
directly responsible for the operation of the airplane when Mary is flying?

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Personally, (as you know) I expected the RFD approach controller to be
on the same sheet of music as the JVL tower controller. They are 25.6
miles apart, and work together hand-in-glove MOST of the time.

When I'm receiving flight following from Denver Approach I am always told to
contact the Class D tower (Jeffco, Centennial, Front Range) before entering
their airspace.

When I'm receiving flight following from Denver Approach I am always told to
contact the Class D tower (Jeffco, Centennial, Front Range) before entering
their airspace.

Right. And they cut you loose in time to do so.

RFD didn't cut Mary loose until we were inside JVL's Class D --
something they had never done before.

We're smarter now, and cut THEM loose.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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RFD didn't cut Mary loose until we were inside JVL's Class D --
something they had never done before.


How did they prevent Mary from calling JVL tower prior to entering Class D
airspace?

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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RFD didn't cut Mary loose until we were inside JVL's Class D --
something they had never done before.


How did they prevent Mary from calling JVL tower prior to entering Class D
airspace?

Having read this whole thread, I am struck by the argumentative nature
of these replies. Mr Honeck has never said that Mary was prevented
from contacting the Class D airspace, and in fact has said that this
experience served as a lesson that they need to dump the Rockford
controllers in the future before entering the Class D airspace. He is
trying to present this as a lesson to us all which is well taken. The
lesson I think is to stay aware of where you are, and when to expect a
handoff (and please don't give me a lesson on the use of the word
handoff).

Yeah, I agree.

"swag" wrote in message
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Having read this whole thread, I am struck by the argumentative nature
of these replies.


You don't believe there is a place in discussion for argument?



Mr Honeck has never said that Mary was prevented
from contacting the Class D airspace,


Mr. Honeck said that RFD didn't cut Mary loose until they were inside JVL's
Class D airspace. If he feels she needs to be cut loose by RFD in order to
call JVL, is she not then prevented from contacting JVL if she is not cut
loose?



and in fact has said that this
experience served as a lesson that they need to dump the Rockford
controllers in the future before entering the Class D airspace. He is
trying to present this as a lesson to us all which is well taken. The
lesson I think is to stay aware of where you are, and when to expect a
handoff (and please don't give me a lesson on the use of the word
handoff).


It seems some people just don't learn these lessons. You may want to go to
Google Groups to review the thread "Slam dunk into Janesville" that appeared
in this group just over three years ago. Mr. Honeck presented an almost
identical scenario at that time. Every point that was made here was also
made then.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Crazy and potentially dangerous because of the 180 degree turn or because
you arrived unexpected and unannounced in busy airspace? What else would
you expect the tower controller to do at that point?

Personally, (as you know) I expected the RFD approach controller to be
on the same sheet of music as the JVL tower controller. They are 25.6
miles apart, and work together hand-in-glove MOST of the time.

We have found the JVL tower folks to be missing a few fingers off the glove
from time to time.

Just not that day...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"