zooms SnF mini rant

That's one I hadn't heard of...do you recall where he published that?
Has he made any other similar claims? I'd like to compile a list of
his claims for purposes of verification, true or false. I'm going into
Court here shortly in his regards to put a stop to his misconduct once
and for all times.

My e-mail is published so I have no concerns over posting it he


Please write me there and let me know. That statement is easily
verified true or false, and needless to say, Captain Zoom's history
does not bode well for Truth. But I do like to verify things. One
thing's for su since I've become a student of the Zoomster, he's
been an interesting study. However, his abuses are going to end.

The address seems to have gotten eaten up. Just throw in the word
bearz three times and you have it, or you can find the Masthead at the
top of my newspaper at:

www.silverstatenews.com

Click on the link and it will take you to my contact information...all
prior published. No concerns here on contacts...

http://www.time.com/time/archive/pre...144979,00.html

Sep. 15, 1986.
Private Pilot Jim Campbell, flying at 1,500 ft. near Los Angeles, could
not believe his eyes. Looking up, he saw a flash of light 1 1/2 miles
off to the left of his aircraft. The fireball turned into a plume of
black smoke, and Campbell watched in horror as a huge DC-9 airliner
dropped its nose and rolled to its left. Twisting upside down, the
wounded aircraft picked up speed as it plunged toward earth. " Oh!"
shouted Campbell to himself. " Pull her up. Pull her up. Oh, pull her
up!" In the cockpit of Aeromexico Flight 498, Pilot Arturo Valdes Prom
was helpless. Glistening behind him in the noonday sun...

Very interesting...I'll give this a look. Wouldn't that be funny if
Time didn't confirm the source? Right off the bat, ATC tapes would
have collected something of his presence.

I worked Production Control at Douglas at the time that they brought
the rudder and the vertical stablizer in after the accident. No sign
of fire. The photos of the aircraft pretty much confirmed what the
American Airlines DC-10 pilots saw that were behind the aircraft.
There was a trail of smoke, beginning at their altitude down to the
crash site, which was on fire at ground level, but not a plume nor a
fireball. The aircraft that hit the Aeromexico jet didn't burn, and
the Aeromexico jet wasn't a fireball in the photos taken of the
aircraft before it hit. I recently met one of the photographers who
got pictures of the aircraft as it crashed. The crash photography was
published within 24 hours here in Los Angeles. Anyone could have
concocted a story based on the photography.

Apparently Jim did, because there was no fireball as I recall. The
photos should be on the web to refresh my memory. The other
information is verifiable, true or false.

A very interesting story...worth looking into, to be sure.

These are the photos at Air Disaster.Com, a reference for Press
covering Aviaiton Disasters. The first photo shows the trail of smoke
as I described from the pictures I had seen. No fireball. No real
fire until the aircraft hit the ground, which the other two photos show
the aftermath of. Going to review that Time story above. I know for a
fact there are other photos of the DC-9 taken at closer range. No
fireball. No plume of smoke.

The sad thing is, this accident boiled down to a private pilot having a
heart attack, the aircraft straying into LAX airspace while his family
members tried to get control of the aircraft, before impact with the
DC-9. The horizontal stablizer struck the private aircraft and
detached.

http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/am498/photo.shtml

http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/am498/2.shtml

http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/am498/3.shtml

"DABEAR" wrote in message
ups.com...
These are the photos at Air Disaster.Com, a reference for Press
covering Aviaiton Disasters.

Air Disasters is nothing more than place where people can go to see planes
crash. It is NOT a reference site for the press.

Air Disaster.Com has been definitely utilized by a number of mainstream
and major press outlets, as it has advertised. It provides historic
information in Almanac form that is reference for Journalists who in
pursuit of a current accident, must refer back to related accidents and
facts surrounding the same or connecting the two.

I'm afraid that you are upset and expressing concern about the
disturbing pictures ~ and who would blame you ~ as opposed to the fact
that I as a Journalist, and others, research this site and others like
it when writing about aircraft accidents, disaster, prevention, design,
engineering, trends, etc. In our work, pictures don't always tell
everything, the written facts, first hand observations, second hand
observations, third hand observations, often tell more.

Indeed we Press DO use Air Disaster.Com and the site is excellent for
reference and leads. I view it as an all-encompassing hub for
information that I can go to immediately for facts, as opposed to
spending hours, if not days, pursuing searches and deep searches for
similar information. Any searching I do after Air Disaster.Com, is
usually streamlined and done quickly as a result. Errant leads
eliminated in pursuit of essential facts. A story presented as an end
result for timely reading by the public.

DABEAR wrote:

Apparently Jim did, because there was no fireball as I recall. The
photos should be on the web to refresh my memory. The other
information is verifiable, true or false.

A very interesting story...worth looking into, to be sure.

Bear, I understand where you are and what you're doing. I've been
there myself. Please take it from an old Zoom warrier -

So what?

It doesn't matter how many times we prove beyond all doubt that he lies
in print, about substantial and important issues. About himself,
companies he's pushing or companies he's trying to destroy. We've
proven it so many times we refer to incidents like those in a kind of
shorthand - like where's his son, when did he fly in Ethiopia, what
about the supersonic flight to the funeral, the number of planes he's
flown, injuries at Sun n Fun, etc. The people that have been doing
this for 10 or 15 years know what we're refering to and most of the
details, because they've been so thoroughly discussed.

None of it matters. You can't stop him from publishing, especiallly
now that he no longer has a printing and mailing bill.

Even when it's widely known that he runs advertising that hasn't been
ordered, bills for it, then sues when the bill isn't paid, good people
get sucked into advertising with him initially. Even though it's well
known what Zoom does to people after they quit (and how frequently they
don't get paid) good people like Kevin OBrien and Tim Kern get sucked
into working for him.

It doesn't matter if we prove he claimed he went to Desert Storm as a
reporter for Time Magazine. Or that he claimed the Mini-500 was a well
engineered, well manufactured aicraft before he led the campaing to
destroy it. Or that he was partners with Don Jones, who he later
described as a drug dealer that tried to kill cops. Or that he's
banned by Sun n Fun after years of misbehavior there, including
stiffing the Boys and Girls club for the food they provided for his
party.

None of that matters.

The problem is it doesn't cost much to be a malcontent with a website.
In the extreme case, you could be homeless and on the street, host on
blogspot and maintain one from public library. And there's no law in
America that makes it illegal to be a loonball that's destroying
aviation from the inside, driving good people away.

If you have an entirely new angle, I applaud you. If you are just mad
as hell at him, and are determined that the truth will out, I
understand. But it's been tried before.

Richard Riley wrote:
DABEAR wrote:

Apparently Jim did, because there was no fireball as I recall. The
photos should be on the web to refresh my memory. The other
information is verifiable, true or false.

A very interesting story...worth looking into, to be sure.

Bear, I understand where you are and what you're doing. I've been
there myself. Please take it from an old Zoom warrier -

So what?

It doesn't matter how many times we prove beyond all doubt that he lies
in print, about substantial and important issues. About himself,
companies he's pushing or companies he's trying to destroy. We've
proven it so many times we refer to incidents like those in a kind of
shorthand - like where's his son, when did he fly in Ethiopia, what
about the supersonic flight to the funeral, the number of planes he's
flown, injuries at Sun n Fun, etc. The people that have been doing
this for 10 or 15 years know what we're refering to and most of the
details, because they've been so thoroughly discussed.

None of it matters. You can't stop him from publishing, especiallly
now that he no longer has a printing and mailing bill.

Even when it's widely known that he runs advertising that hasn't been
ordered, bills for it, then sues when the bill isn't paid, good people
get sucked into advertising with him initially. Even though it's well
known what Zoom does to people after they quit (and how frequently they
don't get paid) good people like Kevin OBrien and Tim Kern get sucked
into working for him.

It doesn't matter if we prove he claimed he went to Desert Storm as a
reporter for Time Magazine. Or that he claimed the Mini-500 was a well
engineered, well manufactured aicraft before he led the campaing to
destroy it. Or that he was partners with Don Jones, who he later
described as a drug dealer that tried to kill cops. Or that he's
banned by Sun n Fun after years of misbehavior there, including
stiffing the Boys and Girls club for the food they provided for his
party.

None of that matters.

The problem is it doesn't cost much to be a malcontent with a website.
In the extreme case, you could be homeless and on the street, host on
blogspot and maintain one from public library. And there's no law in
America that makes it illegal to be a loonball that's destroying
aviation from the inside, driving good people away.

If you have an entirely new angle, I applaud you. If you are just mad
as hell at him, and are determined that the truth will out, I
understand. But it's been tried before.


This where yawn comes in and tells us how wrong everyone is, that he
has proof he doesn't have to provide, spews innuendo etc.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Dan wrote:

This where yawn comes in and tells us how wrong everyone is, that he
has proof he doesn't have to provide, spews innuendo etc.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Well, yes, but so what? So he's a contrarian. If you post that
Elizabeth is the Queen of England he'll answer with a long post about
how the Stewarts should still be on the throne. Yawn, again.

Light GA is, at it's best, barely profitable. Most people in the
industry are in it for the love, not for the money. Zoom takes what
could be a joyous endeavor and squeezes everything good from it. He is
to aviation what a rapist is to sex.