Hummel Aviation at Sun and Fun?

DABEAR wrote:
Is this particular aircraft considered an Ultra Light? If so, I think
I might have just found my Colorado project...

It looks like the "UltraCruiser" was made to get by as an ultralight.
You MIGHT be able to call it an UL, but you'd have to grit your teeth.
It's right on the edge of being too fast and too heavy.

It's a 60-80 mph cruise, the UL limit is 55 kts MAX. The lightest
version's listed weight is *exactly* the maximum weight for an UL, the
stall speed is 25-28 MPH and the spec is 24 kts.

The other versions are clearly too heavy and fast.

Richard Riley wrote:
DABEAR wrote:
Is this particular aircraft considered an Ultra Light? If so, I think
I might have just found my Colorado project...

It looks like the "UltraCruiser" was made to get by as an ultralight.
You MIGHT be able to call it an UL, but you'd have to grit your teeth.
It's right on the edge of being too fast and too heavy.

It's a 60-80 mph cruise, the UL limit is 55 kts MAX. The lightest
version's listed weight is *exactly* the maximum weight for an UL, the
stall speed is 25-28 MPH and the spec is 24 kts.

The other versions are clearly too heavy and fast.

Too bad you're not in Canada. Even the original Hummel
Bird can be registered as an ultralight here. See :
http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/ge...htm#Definition

An excerpt:

2.1 Definition

A basic ultra-light aeroplane shall be defined as either:

a single-seat ultra-light aeroplane pursuant to Subpart 101, Part 1 of
the Canadian Aviation Regulations;


A two seat instructional ultra-light aeroplanes pursuant to Subpart
101, Part 1 of the Canadian Aviation Regulations; or


an aeroplane having no more than two seats, designed and manufactured
to have a maximum take-off weight of 544 kilograms and a stall speed in
the landing configuration (Vso) of 39 knots (45 mph) or less indicated
airspeed at the maximum take-off weight.

544 Kg = 1198 lb.

Pretty good, huh?

Dan

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Richard Riley wrote:
DABEAR wrote:
Is this particular aircraft considered an Ultra Light? If so, I
think I might have just found my Colorado project...

It looks like the "UltraCruiser" was made to get by as an ultralight.
You MIGHT be able to call it an UL, but you'd have to grit your
teeth. It's right on the edge of being too fast and too heavy.

It's a 60-80 mph cruise, the UL limit is 55 kts MAX. The lightest
version's listed weight is *exactly* the maximum weight for an UL,
the stall speed is 25-28 MPH and the spec is 24 kts.

The other versions are clearly too heavy and fast.

Too bad you're not in Canada. Even the original Hummel
Bird can be registered as an ultralight here. See :
http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/ge...ght/ULTransiti
o
nStrategy/basic.htm#Definition

An excerpt:

2.1 Definition

A basic ultra-light aeroplane shall be defined as either:

a single-seat ultra-light aeroplane pursuant to Subpart 101, Part 1 of
the Canadian Aviation Regulations;


A two seat instructional ultra-light aeroplanes pursuant to Subpart
101, Part 1 of the Canadian Aviation Regulations; or


an aeroplane having no more than two seats, designed and manufactured
to have a maximum take-off weight of 544 kilograms and a stall speed
in the landing configuration (Vso) of 39 knots (45 mph) or less
indicated airspeed at the maximum take-off weight.

544 Kg = 1198 lb.

Pretty good, huh?

Dan


Yeah, that's pretty close to what we here call a Light Sport
Aircraft.... You still need a Pilots cert to fly one of them there
Canadian Ultralights right??


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You still need a Pilots cert to fly one of them there
Canadian Ultralights right??

An Ultralight Pilot Permit is required. Minimal training.
Probably too minimal, in my view.

Dan

wrote:

You still need a Pilots cert to fly one of them there
Canadian Ultralights right??


An Ultralight Pilot Permit is required. Minimal training.
Probably too minimal, in my view.

Dan


Ultralight pilot permit?

Where in the world are you Dan?


Richard

Ultralight pilot permit?

Where in the world are you Dan?

Canada. See
http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/Re...401.htm#401_21

Excerpt from the Canadian Aviation Regulations:

DIVISION IV - PILOT PERMITS

Ultra-light Aeroplanes - Privileges

401.21 The holder of a pilot permit - ultra-light aeroplane may, under
day VFR,
(amended 2001/03/01; previous version)

(a) act as pilot-in-command of an ultra-light aeroplane with no other
person on board;
(amended 2005/12/01; previous version)

(b) act as pilot-in-command of an ultra-light aeroplane with one other
person on board if
(amended 2005/12/01; previous version)

(i) the holder's permit is endorsed with a passenger-carrying rating,

(ii) the ultra-light aeroplane has no restrictions against carrying
another person, and

(iii) the holder has completed training, including dual instruction and
solo flight, on the class of ultra-light aeroplane being operated;

(c) act as pilot-in-command of an ultra-light aeroplane with one other
person on board if the other person is a holder of a pilot licence or
permit, other than a student pilot permit, that allows them to act as
pilot-in-command of an ultra-light aeroplane; or
(amended 2005/12/01; no previous version)

(d) act as pilot-in-command of an aircraft for the sole purpose of the
holder's flight training or flight test if
(amended 2005/12/01; no previous version)

(i) in the case of flight training,

(A) it is conducted under the direction and supervision of a flight
instructor qualified in accordance with section 425.21 of the personnel
licensing standards, and

(B) no other person is carried on board, and

(ii) in the case of a flight test,

(A) it is conducted in accordance with section 401.15, and

(B) no passenger other than the person referred to in paragraph
401.15(1)(a) is carried on board.


Dan