Airspace Violations OLC

When someone passes me doing 80 in a 65 zone, I do call the cops.

Mike Schumann

wrote in message
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When someone passes you on the highway doing 15 over the speed limit,
do you call 911 and sic the coppers on him? If you see your neighbor
in a sleazy bar about to get lucky, do you call his wife?

The saying "Mind your own business" comes to mind!

Kirk
66

When someone passes you on the highway doing 15 over the speed limit,
do you call 911 and sic the coppers on him?

15 KPH we have speed cameras and radar and lidar for that!

If you see your neighbour
in a sleazy bar about to get lucky, do you call his wife?

I don't hang out in sleazy bars do you!

As a former PI the wife normally paid to find out they called me.

The saying "Mind your own business" comes to mind!

Yes just like the USA minding everyone else's business the world police.

Next time a jet on descent into Australia's busiest airport sucks a glider
through its engine don't forget to dial 000

Kirk
66

wrote:

The saying "Mind your own business" comes to mind!

Airspace violations *are* my business when they cause the authorities to
enlarge that class C airspace for another 10 miles just for safety
because gliders are known not to respect airspace boundaries.

Airspace violations *are* my business when they cause ATC not to grant
me a clearance because gliders are known not to adhere to clearances.

Airspace violations *are* my business when I sit in that airliner which
hits the offending glider.

etc.

Stefan

Sit back and take a deep breath!

What you are talking about are POTENTIAL airspace violations, not
PROVEN airspace violations. I have been routinely cleared thru Class B
airspace. We also have restricted airspace close by that is open to the
public on a given day (or hour), or is restricted in subsections, or is
restricted to a certain altitude. You simply can't tell if there has
been an ACTUAL violation unless you know all the particulars about the
situation. For that reason alone OLC has no business being in the air
cop business.

MOOYMMV.

Tom Seim
Richland, WA

Stefan wrote:

Airspace violations *are* my business when they cause the authorities to
enlarge that class C airspace for another 10 miles just for safety
because gliders are known not to respect airspace boundaries.

Airspace violations *are* my business when they cause ATC not to grant
me a clearance because gliders are known not to adhere to clearances.

Airspace violations *are* my business when I sit in that airliner which
hits the offending glider.

And all these things have happened to you?

Have you compared the number of violations by the mythical "Piper Cub"
which happen every year to the number of violations by gliders? Have you
examined the faulty logic in advocating an expansion of airspace that is
not respected?

You also sincerely advocate the mandatory installation of transponders
in ALL air vehicles, whether A380's or balloon-borne lawn chairs, do you
not?


Jack

Jack wrote:

And all these things have happened to you?

Sort of, yes. In the country I live, airspace is really crammed,
controlled airspace is permanently growing and over the last few years,
clearances have become harder to get. Our only chance to keep reasonable
soaring possibilities is to be respected as reliable partners. It only
takes one or two cowboys to destroy the work of many years.

Have you compared the number of violations by the mythical "Piper Cub"
which happen every year to the number of violations by gliders?

Who cares?

Have you
examined the faulty logic in advocating an expansion of airspace that is
not respected?

Who cares whether it's logic or not, when it happens?

You also sincerely advocate the mandatory installation of transponders
in ALL air vehicles, whether A380's or balloon-borne lawn chairs, do you
not?

No, and frankly, I can't see any conexion.

Stefan

wrote:
When someone passes you on the highway doing 15 over the speed limit,
do you call 911 and sic the coppers on him? If you see your neighbor
in a sleazy bar about to get lucky, do you call his wife?

No, because it doesn't hurt me. If the speeding car is driving
recklessly (I don't consider speed in itself reckless), then I will try
to report.

The saying "Mind your own business" comes to mind!

ABSOLUTELY. Airspace violations ARE my business. Whether my neighbor
is a communist, is not. But if he beats his wife, or vice versa, I
will call the cops.

I don't know about you, but I don't want to be forced to file an IFR
flight plan to go soaring above 10K or more than 5 miles from the
airport.

The OLC is not mandatory. So let's only claim LEGAL flights and enjoy
the fruits of the freedoms we have here in the USA. (The naysayers so
far have been from the USA, best I can tell).

-Tom

The point is that just because it looks like it could be illegal,
doesn't mean it is. Just because you think something is dangerous
doesn't mean it is.

Anyone who really thinks flights posted on OLC are "public" really has
an inflated opinion of our sport!

Oh forget it...

Kirk

wrote:
The point is that just because it looks like it could be illegal,
doesn't mean it is.

Absolutely. This discussion has degenerated in the wrong direction.

The OLC is essentially operating on the honor system, so let's all be
honorable. This means keeping an eye out for gross violations of
regulations. The disclaimer on the OLC site is meant to remind the
submitter of some responsibility to be borne. It is in OUR BEST
INTEREST to nudge some marginal flights off the web if we feel they are
detrimental to our sport.

I'm not saying we need nannies checking every flight, but it's just
common sense that if you see a flight that's questionable, you would
approach the pilot about it. If we all do this, then it won't be a
stranger making the comment.

Just because you think something is dangerous
doesn't mean it is.

No, but I would approach the pilot to ask why someting that looked to
me as dangerous was done. I expect one of three responses:

1. A description of why it was not dangerous based on the pilot's
skills, perceptions, etc.

2. An admission that a mistake was made and some lesson learned.

3. An admission that the pilot was unaware the action looked dangerous,
and now upon reflection, a lesson has been learned.

I do not expect to get a lecture on minding my own business.

In the first case above, I would learn a lesson, and in the other two
both of us would learn a lesson.

Anyone who really thinks flights posted on OLC are "public" really has
an inflated opinion of our sport!

They can be used as "evidence" against out freedon to fly. And we can
only hope that the OLC is giving us some more exposure on what can
REALLY be done in a sailplane.

-Tom