Buzzed?

"Mike Granby" wrote in message
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So I'm flying IFR down V441 in Florida today, when I hear the
controller who's working me call traffic to a VFR airplane he's
providing with advisories. "Traffic, twelve o'clock, opposite
direction, very fast, same altitude, suggest you descend now." The 172
he's talking to descends in a hurry, and the traffic passes without
being seen. A few minute later, the controller says the same traffic
has circled around and is now coming back at the VFR airplane once
again. Once again, negative contact. Next time, the traffic is reported
circling ahead of the 172, until he breaks off and again makes a pass
around the Cessna. This time the now rather panicked VFR pilot see the
traffic, and reports it to the controller as "some sort of single." The
controller points out that at 250 kts at 5000 ft, it's unlikely to be a
piston and it must be some sort of jet.

I wonder if it was one of these?

http://www.if1airracing.com/IF1_Planes.shtml

These guys tend to fly around in circles at 250kts.

"Ted" wrote in message
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"Mike Granby" wrote in message
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So I'm flying IFR down V441 in Florida today, when I hear the
controller who's working me call traffic to a VFR airplane he's
providing with advisories. "Traffic, twelve o'clock, opposite
direction, very fast, same altitude, suggest you descend now." The 172
he's talking to descends in a hurry, and the traffic passes without
being seen. A few minute later, the controller says the same traffic
has circled around and is now coming back at the VFR airplane once
again. Once again, negative contact. Next time, the traffic is reported
circling ahead of the 172, until he breaks off and again makes a pass
around the Cessna. This time the now rather panicked VFR pilot see the
traffic, and reports it to the controller as "some sort of single." The
controller points out that at 250 kts at 5000 ft, it's unlikely to be a
piston and it must be some sort of jet.

I wonder if it was one of these?

http://www.if1airracing.com/IF1_Planes.shtml

These guys tend to fly around in circles at 250kts.


One day years ago after I did my runup in my little Cessna 152 and announced
my departure on runway 34 one of these little single seat buggers pulled out
onto the runway in front of me and took off. No waiting in line on the
taxiway for his turn, no radio calls, no nothing. I was quite annoyed at
his complete contempt for proper airport procedures until I saw him use
about 450 feet of runway to lift off. His climb out was essentially
vertical and in another few moments he flew over my head and out of sight.

http://www.if1airracing.com/IF1_Bio....0Hav en%20Bio

Ted wrote:

I was quite annoyed at his complete contempt for proper airport procedures until I saw him use about 450 feet of runway to lift off. His climb out was essentially vertical and in another few moments he flew over my head and out of sight

So your annoyance turned to awe after seeing his T/O performance? G


I doubt that's any justification for what he did, if that's what you
meant.

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Ted wrote:

I was quite annoyed at his complete contempt for proper airport
procedures until I saw him use about 450 feet of runway to lift off.
His climb out was essentially vertical and in another few moments he
flew over my head and out of sight

So your annoyance turned to awe after seeing his T/O performance? G


I doubt that's any justification for what he did, if that's what you
meant.


Not a justification exactly but its hard to stay annoyed with someone who
just cut in front of you when a few moments later he is gone and out of
sight..

We used to have a pilot come buzz our airport is a small aerobatic
plane. Not sure the brand. He had total disregard to any traffic in the
area. He would get down to 20' and run the runway. He would fly over the
top of folks, run head-on to departing aircraft then abruptly turn away,
etc. Our airport enacted an ordinance against high speed flight below
pattern altitude. Well, his antics finally caught up with him. He was
doing low level aerobatics over a marina on a near by lake and he
crashed and killed himself. Luckily he missed anyone on the water or in
the marina.

Ross

Ted wrote:

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Ted wrote:


I was quite annoyed at his complete contempt for proper airport
procedures until I saw him use about 450 feet of runway to lift off.
His climb out was essentially vertical and in another few moments he
flew over my head and out of sight

So your annoyance turned to awe after seeing his T/O performance? G


I doubt that's any justification for what he did, if that's what you
meant.



Not a justification exactly but its hard to stay annoyed with someone who
just cut in front of you when a few moments later he is gone and out of
sight..

Ross Richardson wrote:

We used to have a pilot come buzz our airport is a small aerobatic
plane. Not sure the brand. He had total disregard to any traffic in the
area. He would get down to 20' and run the runway. He would fly over the
top of folks, run head-on to departing aircraft then abruptly turn away,
etc. Our airport enacted an ordinance against high speed flight below
pattern altitude. Well, his antics finally caught up with him. He was
doing low level aerobatics over a marina on a near by lake and he
crashed and killed himself. Luckily he missed anyone on the water or in
the marina.

A death well deserved.

We had a AH from around here pull some low-flying crap a month, or so,
ago in Roseville, CA (near Sacramento). Unfortunately, he had a
passenger (who may have been an enabler). They died when they crashed
their "hottie" homebuilt into a home and also killed a totally innocent
19 year old young man asleep in his bedroom.

"Sam Spade" wrote in message
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Ross Richardson wrote:

We used to have a pilot come buzz our airport is a small aerobatic plane.
Not sure the brand. He had total disregard to any traffic in the area. He
would get down to 20' and run the runway. He would fly over the top of
folks, run head-on to departing aircraft then abruptly turn away, etc.
Our airport enacted an ordinance against high speed flight below pattern
altitude. Well, his antics finally caught up with him. He was doing low
level aerobatics over a marina on a near by lake and he crashed and
killed himself. Luckily he missed anyone on the water or in the marina.

A death well deserved.

We had a AH from around here pull some low-flying crap a month, or so, ago
in Roseville, CA (near Sacramento). Unfortunately, he had a passenger
(who may have been an enabler). They died when they crashed their
"hottie" homebuilt into a home and also killed a totally innocent 19 year
old young man asleep in his bedroom.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...17X00210&key=1

Ross Richardson wrote:

We used to have a pilot come buzz our airport is a small aerobatic
plane. Not sure the brand. He had total disregard to any traffic in the
area. He would get down to 20' and run the runway. He would fly over the
top of folks, run head-on to departing aircraft then abruptly turn away,
etc. Our airport enacted an ordinance against high speed flight below
pattern altitude.

I'm not sympathetic to the buzzer, but how can an airport enact an ordinance
regarding aircraft in the air? I could see how they (or a local government
that owns the 'port) could pass ordinances affecting the runway and surface,
but I'm confused how they could attempt to regulate airplanes already flying.

"John" wrote in message ...
Ross Richardson wrote:

We used to have a pilot come buzz our airport is a small aerobatic
plane. Not sure the brand. He had total disregard to any traffic in the
area. He would get down to 20' and run the runway. He would fly over the
top of folks, run head-on to departing aircraft then abruptly turn away,
etc. Our airport enacted an ordinance against high speed flight below
pattern altitude.

I'm not sympathetic to the buzzer, but how can an airport enact an
ordinance
regarding aircraft in the air? I could see how they (or a local
government
that owns the 'port) could pass ordinances affecting the runway and
surface,
but I'm confused how they could attempt to regulate airplanes already
flying.

Let me turn the question around. Where did you get the idea that you don't
have to obey local laws whenever your feet are not touching the ground?

I'm not sure, but our city attorney is a pilot with instrument rating
and came up with the proposal that was adopeted. It is even anotated in
the A/FD. We have a sign at the fuel pump as a reminder.

John wrote:

Ross Richardson wrote:


We used to have a pilot come buzz our airport is a small aerobatic
plane. Not sure the brand. He had total disregard to any traffic in the
area. He would get down to 20' and run the runway. He would fly over the
top of folks, run head-on to departing aircraft then abruptly turn away,
etc. Our airport enacted an ordinance against high speed flight below
pattern altitude.


I'm not sympathetic to the buzzer, but how can an airport enact an ordinance
regarding aircraft in the air? I could see how they (or a local government
that owns the 'port) could pass ordinances affecting the runway and surface,
but I'm confused how they could attempt to regulate airplanes already flying.