Avgas Where is the ceiling?

On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:59:33 GMT, ktbr wrote:

Matt Barrow wrote:
Last I heard, the US was a "democracy" (ie, representatives were elected),
so if there's a problem, thank your friednds and neighbors.

Actually, its supposed to be a representative republic not a true
deomocracy. But anyway, I'm not convinced that the average voter

Actually the US is a Republic that is governed as a representative
democracy.

today has necessary economic education to fully understand the issues

I would say, "most voters", not the average voter does not have either
the information or the ability to use it to the point of being able to
make an intelligent choice.

facing this country. An ever growing majority seem to be more
interested in how many entitlements some politician promises to
provide for them.

OTOH, both major parties here in the US keep putting up candidates
that no intelligent, informed voter could vote for and keep a clear
conscience.

The result being that both parties are becoming more polarized and
move farther apart which means the conditions are not likely to get
better any time soon.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

"Roger" wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:59:33 GMT, ktbr wrote:

Matt Barrow wrote:
Last I heard, the US was a "democracy" (ie, representatives were
elected),
so if there's a problem, thank your friednds and neighbors.

Actually, its supposed to be a representative republic not a true
deomocracy. But anyway, I'm not convinced that the average voter

Actually the US is a Republic that is governed as a representative
democracy.

today has necessary economic education to fully understand the issues

I would say, "most voters", not the average voter does not have either
the information or the ability to use it to the point of being able to
make an intelligent choice.

I would add that most voters have neither the information nor the ability to
make sense of it, and DON'T HAVE THE INTERST in doing so.

Hey, don't bother me, the ballgame is on...

On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 06:22:10 -0700, "Matt Barrow"
wrote:


"Roger" wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:59:33 GMT, ktbr wrote:

Matt Barrow wrote:
Last I heard, the US was a "democracy" (ie, representatives were
elected),
so if there's a problem, thank your friednds and neighbors.

Actually, its supposed to be a representative republic not a true
deomocracy. But anyway, I'm not convinced that the average voter

Actually the US is a Republic that is governed as a representative
democracy.

today has necessary economic education to fully understand the issues

I would say, "most voters", not the average voter does not have either
the information or the ability to use it to the point of being able to
make an intelligent choice.

I would add that most voters have neither the information nor the ability to
make sense of it, and DON'T HAVE THE INTERST in doing so.

Hey, don't bother me, the ballgame is on...

I'm sorry Matt. I was watching TV while you were typing. What were we
talking about?

sigh

BTW There was a good program on tonight that started out showing some
old photos of glaciers and then faded to the present view from the
same location. Now that was eye opening!

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

("Roger" wrote)
BTW There was a good program on tonight that started out showing some old
photos of glaciers and then faded to the present view from the same
location. Now that was eye opening!


I think that's happened three or four times in the past 15,000 years. On the
flip side, some early Middle Ages tapestries depict 'the year there was no
summer' in meticulous detail. That particular Mini Ice Age destroyed the
once thriving English wine making industry - for example.

My question is always:
If not for Global Warming (capitalized because it's now a religion)
....wouldn't we be locked in one of Earth's many Ice Ages, still?

I believe 95% of GW is the Sun, and the Earth's tilt/wobble, and the ocean's
salinity/density/fresh water cycles, and the planet's solid iron core
flipping polarity, etc, etc, etc. But yes, I do think we need to work on our
5%.


Montblack
Setting rivers on fire ain't nothing...

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 02:40:55 -0500, "Montblack"
wrote:

("Roger" wrote)
BTW There was a good program on tonight that started out showing some old
photos of glaciers and then faded to the present view from the same
location. Now that was eye opening!


I think that's happened three or four times in the past 15,000 years. On the
flip side, some early Middle Ages tapestries depict 'the year there was no
summer' in meticulous detail. That particular Mini Ice Age destroyed the
once thriving English wine making industry - for example.

My question is always:
If not for Global Warming (capitalized because it's now a religion)
...wouldn't we be locked in one of Earth's many Ice Ages, still?

There is a problem with the figures though. Research is showing that
the CO2 llevels are far higher than they have been during any warm
periods they can measure. I believe it is almost double what it
should be for a peak and it's the highest they've measured going back
nearly a half million years. They are coming up with some pretty
concrete figures as far as the excess CO2 and correlating it with the
temperature rise.



I believe 95% of GW is the Sun, and the Earth's tilt/wobble, and the ocean's
salinity/density/fresh water cycles, and the planet's solid iron core

The salinity/fresh water cycles are tied to the temperature.

flipping polarity, etc, etc, etc. But yes, I do think we need to work on our
5%.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com


Montblack
Setting rivers on fire ain't nothing...

"Roger" wrote in message
...
My question is always:
If not for Global Warming (capitalized because it's now a religion)
...wouldn't we be locked in one of Earth's many Ice Ages, still?

There is a problem with the figures though. Research is showing that
the CO2 llevels are far higher than they have been during any warm
periods they can measure. I believe it is almost double what it
should be for a peak and it's the highest they've measured going back
nearly a half million years. They are coming up with some pretty
concrete figures as far as the excess CO2 and correlating it with the
temperature rise.

Professor Richard S. Lindzen, the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology,
Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences, would be surprised
to hear that.

http://www-eaps.mit.edu/faculty/lindzen.htm (Page down to publications)

On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:11:48 -0700, "Matt Barrow"
wrote:


"Roger" wrote in message
.. .
My question is always:
If not for Global Warming (capitalized because it's now a religion)
...wouldn't we be locked in one of Earth's many Ice Ages, still?

There is a problem with the figures though. Research is showing that
the CO2 llevels are far higher than they have been during any warm
periods they can measure. I believe it is almost double what it
should be for a peak and it's the highest they've measured going back
nearly a half million years. They are coming up with some pretty
concrete figures as far as the excess CO2 and correlating it with the
temperature rise.

Professor Richard S. Lindzen, the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology,
Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences, would be surprised
to hear that.

I think his is one of the few dissenting voices.


http://www-eaps.mit.edu/faculty/lindzen.htm (Page down to publications)


Which publication? I found pages of the things.:-))

Like many things you will be able to find creditable scientists
supporting opposing views.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

"Roger" wrote in message
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On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 06:22:10 -0700, "Matt Barrow"
wrote:

I would say, "most voters", not the average voter does not have either
the information or the ability to use it to the point of being able to
make an intelligent choice.

I would add that most voters have neither the information nor the ability
to
make sense of it, and DON'T HAVE THE INTERST in doing so.

Hey, don't bother me, the ballgame is on...

I'm sorry Matt. I was watching TV while you were typing. What were we
talking about?

Ummmm...


sigh

BTW There was a good program on tonight that started out showing some
old photos of glaciers and then faded to the present view from the
same location. Now that was eye opening!


I saw something like that a year or so ago. They showed pictures of glaciers
(Yellowstone mainly) taken in the late 1880's, then compared it to pictures
taken today. The glaciers were either greatly receeded or completely
vanished.

Thing is, someone else showed pictures taken from 1905-1915 and the pictures
then looked pretty much like today.