Sea Harrier FA2 - a modern-day F6D Missileer?

In message , Ed Rasimus
writes
SHAR is the "make do with what we can afford" approach to air
superiority.

*Was* the make-do approach: the SHar was very recently retired.



Fleet fighter cover is currently gapped until the F-35s show up...


--
He thinks too much: such men are dangerous.
Julius Caesar I:2

Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk

"Paul J. Adam" wrote:

:Fleet fighter cover is currently gapped until the F-35s show up...

So you've got a DECADE of gap in Naval air?

Ouch!

--
"Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute."
-- Charles Pinckney

"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
...
"Paul J. Adam" wrote:

:Fleet fighter cover is currently gapped until the F-35s show up...

So you've got a DECADE of gap in Naval air?

Ouch!


All courtesy of that nice Mr Blair (and his side-kick /subordinate Brown)!

The three 'Invincible class, Through-Deck-Cruiser, vessels that were
inherited are to be replaced by _two_ something? ; although nobody is yet
cutting metal, onto which will be embarked something else?

Meanwhile the RN FAA's and the RAF's Harrier entities have been absorbed
into 'Joint Force Harrier' and somewhere along the way the RN's
Fighter/Strike aircraft have been .... ?

I'm too _young_ to have direct experience of the RNAS cum RFC merger but
combined with my direct experience of Healey's Defence White Paper, with its
immortal phrase - the fleet will not fight out of range of land based
aircraft-, I've got a horrible feeling of deja-vu!

--

Brian

In sci.military.naval Brian Sharrock twisted the electrons to say:
The three 'Invincible class, Through-Deck-Cruiser, vessels that were
inherited are to be replaced by _two_ something? ; although nobody is yet
cutting metal, onto which will be embarked something else?

Well to be honest there's really only two Invincibles left (Illustrious &
Ark Royal), since it looks unlikely that Invincible herself will ever go
to sea again ...

Meanwhile the RN FAA's and the RAF's Harrier entities have been absorbed
into 'Joint Force Harrier' and somewhere along the way the RN's
Fighter/Strike aircraft have been .... ?

.... but if they spent the money replacing the engines on the FA2s, then
what would happen to the moreschoolsandhospitals?
--
These opinions might not even be mine ...
Let alone connected with my employer ...

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Alistair Gunn wrote:
In sci.military.naval Brian Sharrock twisted the electrons to say:
The three 'Invincible class, Through-Deck-Cruiser, vessels that were
inherited are to be replaced by _two_ something? ; although nobody is yet
cutting metal, onto which will be embarked something else?

Well to be honest there's really only two Invincibles left (Illustrious &
Ark Royal), since it looks unlikely that Invincible herself will ever go
to sea again ...

Meanwhile the RN FAA's and the RAF's Harrier entities have been absorbed
into 'Joint Force Harrier' and somewhere along the way the RN's
Fighter/Strike aircraft have been .... ?

... but if they spent the money replacing the engines on the FA2s, then
what would happen to the moreschoolsandhospitals?

the moreschoolsandhospitals I can probably live with, it's the money
wasted whilst indecisive/incompetent morons make their minds up I have
trouble with.

http://society.guardian.co.uk/health...html?gusrc=rss

£600,000 a day to pay contractors to stand around and do
nothing...shakes head
I suspect most of the Shar cost savings got used up in that one farce.
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"Alistair Gunn" wrote in message
. ..
In sci.military.naval Brian Sharrock twisted the electrons to say:
The three 'Invincible class, Through-Deck-Cruiser, vessels that were
inherited are to be replaced by _two_ something? ; although nobody is yet
cutting metal, onto which will be embarked something else?

Well to be honest there's really only two Invincibles left (Illustrious &
Ark Royal), since it looks unlikely that Invincible herself will ever go
to sea again ...

Are you a Tonie Phonie? I wrote "_three_ ... inherited",; count 'em;-
Invincible, Ark Royal, Illusttious - all vessels in the fleet in 1997. The
sad fact that the vessels are not availlable currenntly is a
product/artefact of the CND members that now occupy Downing Street.
The sad decline of the CVS assets from three to two is not a justification
for only having two 'replacements' ... ! You're not chanting 'Three Ships
bad! Two ships better!" ; are you?
{Neither is RY Brittania, the paying-off ceremony for which B-Liar didn't
attend - He had another engagement in his diary - now, what was it? Oh, yes!
He was _welcominig_ Gerry Adams and cohorts to Downing Street! ]


Meanwhile the RN FAA's and the RAF's Harrier entities have been absorbed
into 'Joint Force Harrier' and somewhere along the way the RN's
Fighter/Strike aircraft have been .... ?

... but if they spent the money replacing the engines on the FA2s, then
what would happen to the moreschoolsandhospitals?
--
These opinions might not even be mine ...
Let alone connected with my employer ...

--

Brian

In sci.military.naval Brian Sharrock twisted the electrons to say:
"Alistair Gunn" wrote in message
Well to be honest there's really only two Invincibles left (Illustrious &
Ark Royal), since it looks unlikely that Invincible herself will ever go
to sea again ...
Are you a Tonie Phonie?

I dunno, what is a "Tonie Phonie"??? (A phoney Tony would presumably be
someone pretending to be called Tony?)

The sad decline of the CVS assets from three to two is not a justification
for only having two 'replacements' ... ! You're not chanting 'Three Ships
bad! Two ships better!" ; are you?

No, because if I was going to say that I *would* have said that. My
point was that the reduction to two ships has already happened.
--
These opinions might not even be mine ...
Let alone connected with my employer ...

"Alistair Gunn" wrote in message
. ..
In sci.military.naval Brian Sharrock twisted the electrons to say:
"Alistair Gunn" wrote in message
Well to be honest there's really only two Invincibles left (Illustrious
&
Ark Royal), since it looks unlikely that Invincible herself will ever
go
to sea again ...
Are you a Tonie Phonie?

I dunno, what is a "Tonie Phonie"??? (A phoney Tony would presumably be
someone pretending to be called Tony?)

A Tonie Phonie is someone who says one thing ' Trust me, I'm a straight
kinda guy! ' while being as bent as a left-handed corkscrew!

The sad decline of the CVS assets from three to two is not a
justification
for only having two 'replacements' ... ! You're not chanting 'Three Ships
bad! Two ships better!" ; are you?

No, because if I was going to say that I *would* have said that. My
point was that the reduction to two ships has already happened.

And to bedeplored ... not to be used as an excuse for announcing that only
two will be ordered in replacement. YMMV

--

Brian

Invincible WILL go to sea again, but it will be flying an Indian flag.

Brian Sharrock wrote:
I'm too _young_ to have direct experience of the RNAS cum RFC merger but
combined with my direct experience of Healey's Defence White Paper, with its
immortal phrase - the fleet will not fight out of range of land based
aircraft-, I've got a horrible feeling of deja-vu!

On the other hand, what would have been realistic budget alternatives,
if taking money somewhere else is ruled out? At least the FAA has a
hope of a better future to come... when JSF arrives, late...

Mvh,
Jon K