Aviation Fatalities: "he died doing something he loved..."

"Brad" wrote in message
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Quite frankly, I don't want my legacy to be that I was
foolish enough to fly with empty tanks, into a level 5, etc.

Do you think that you would have better luck with *full* tanks in a level 5?
Once the wings get ripped off, does it really matter whether they had gas in
them or not or even if you have a header tank?

("Morgans" wrote)
Yep, and saying that his remarks were honest, or that they are accurate
and correct, may be out of line, also.


I believe Chuck Yeager was being honest when asked the standard 'How do you
feel' question.

This observation on my part is not out of line.

Field of Dreams (1989)
Shoeless Joe Jackson: "Ty Cobb wanted to play, but none of us could stand
the son-of-a-bitch when we were alive, so we told him to stick it!"

http://www.cmgworldwide.com/baseball/cobb/tccare.html
Ty Cobb career stats!


Montblack
I WOULD walk across the street to hear Chuck Yeager speak.

"Montblack" wrote in message
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("Morgans" wrote)
Yep, and saying that his remarks were honest, or that they are accurate
and correct, may be out of line, also.


I believe Chuck Yeager was being honest when asked the standard 'How do
you
feel' question.

This observation on my part is not out of line.

I don't believe anyone has even come close to indicating you were out of
line. Some of us have simply indicated that we thought Yeager was out of
line.
If you don't find fault with Yeager's remarks, that is your call. I for one
respect that.
I just don't hold any respect for Yeager's call on this.
Dudley Henriques

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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He has a propensity for shooting from the hip when questioned by
reporters and can quite often stick his perferbial foot in his mouth.
To this day, Yeager still doesn't know how to handle the press. He is
the ultimate mixture of extreme talent, tremendous ability, and
intellectual stupidity.

I wouldn't call it stuoidity, but the fact he comes from a place where
plain talk and a lack of unmitigated bull**** is commonplace.

Understandable considering beginnigs and his "ride" to the top, wouldn't
you say?

Actually no, at least not in my opinion anyway.
Even when considering Yeager's back country beginnings, anyone who has
been exposed to him through his career (and I know a bunch :-) will tell
you in a nano second that his intelligence goes way beyond whatever
boundaries this factor might define in his life equation.

I was refering to his personality; I'd second your assessment of his
intelligence.

His backcountry beginnings made him rather incapable of sucking up to
people.

Perhaps intellillectual stupidity is the wrong phrase to use to describe
Yeager. Closer would be his inability to keep his mouth shut after his
point has been made. He has always had an unbridled propensity to take it
out there "one bridge too far".

From what I've read (I'm sure you actually KNOW him) was not that he went to
far and too long, but he's a man of very few words and those can be brutally
frank and honest.

"Montblack" wrote in message
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In these days of media savvy interview subjects, I found Yeager's remarks
refreshingly honest.

This is what Chuck Yeager thinks vs. This is the APPROPRIATE thing to
say - is how he handled the question.

Was Yeager right in saying what he did?
I don't know. Maybe, maybe not.

Was it an un-classy thing to say?
I don't know. Maybe, maybe not.

Was it (refreshingly) honest?
Yes.

And think of the pilots who hear that and recognize that if a pilot of
Crossfield's caliber can kill themselves flying into t-cells, they can too.

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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Was it an un-classy thing to say?
I don't know. Maybe, maybe not.

Was it (refreshingly) honest?
Yes.


Montblack

Doctor to family of person who just died on the operating table;
"Listen up gang. She's dead!"

Busting context to the point of being silly.

Refreshing honest? Perhaps.
Tactful? Don't think so.
Necessary? Absolutely not!
There is a time and a place for being honest and direct and a time and a
place for avoiding it.
What makes one intelligent and in possession of what we like to call
"class" is in knowing the difference.
If for no other reason, Yeager should have passed on ANY public comment
suggesting a DIRECT cause for the crash based on nothing more than the
fact that the investigation is on-going.

They asked for a comment/assessment and he gave them an honest answer. If
you want ruffles and feathers, get comments from Bill Clinton.

"Morgans" wrote in message
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"Dudley Henriques" wrote

Personally, I wish he'd learn to keep his trap shut and just finish the
good ride life has given him.

This (latest) incident has only served to reinforce what I think about
him. I would not go across the street to hear him speak, and did not,
while he was speaking at OSH.

Respect has to be earned, every day we are on this spaceship we call
Earth. Yeager had respect at one time, but in my eyes, he has failed to
keep it.

Here we have two men, at one time, perhaps two of the finest pilots in the
program.

Fast forward to present time. Crossfield has had many people (in this
group even) saying what a good and genuine person he always seemed to be.

Then there is Yeger. Which one of them would you rather be compared to?

That says it all, IMHO.

Yet Yeager is still alive.

When Crossfield was raking in the dough during the 60's, Yeager was making
$700 a month and flying combat missions in Viet-Nam.

When Crossfield was making upwards of six figures plus speaking fees, Yeager
was making $400 and giving hundreds of talks for free....on his own time.

I suspect that there's a lot of bitterness behind it all.

Matt Barrow wrote:

They asked for a comment/assessment and he gave them an honest answer. If
you want ruffles and feathers, get comments from Bill Clinton.

However, Yeager is very experienced with accident cause and speculation.
Seeing that the investigators' footprints around the crash site weren't
even dry yet, he would have been more tactful at least waiting until the
cause was determined by the NTSB, assuming it ever will be.


--
Peter

"Peter R." wrote in message
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Matt Barrow wrote:

They asked for a comment/assessment and he gave them an honest answer. If
you want ruffles and feathers, get comments from Bill Clinton.

However, Yeager is very experienced with accident cause and speculation.
Seeing that the investigators' footprints around the crash site weren't
even dry yet, he would have been more tactful at least waiting until the
cause was determined by the NTSB, assuming it ever will be.


The reporter gave the preliminary analysis of flight into a T-S and Yeager
commented that Crossfield had gotten into that situation before (apparently
more than twice).

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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Yeager implied he was a hot dog who would always push it and that his
death by small plane wasn't surprising.

Yeager has never liked the civilian test pilots very much and has said so
on many occasions.

He ranted about that at length in his biography.

I had a strange experience doing a documentary ("Flying the P-38 Lightning")
with a bunch of WWII fighter vets one time. There was the straw-hat faction
(Hoover fans, bless 'em), and a couple of guys who sort of snubbed the
others. One guy mentioned what squadron he was in-- "YEAGER's
squadron!"--and then suddenly right in front of all of us, two or the old
guys looked at each other and turned their backs on him. One of the guys'
WIFE said "I wouldn't brag about that."

I don't know what Yeager did to **** them off, but there were about half a
dozen of us there including Jeff Ethell. We all just sort of shifted and
looked at each other. I asked one of them, with whom I'd chatted quite a
bit, and he said something to the effect that Yeager was a pompous ass and
anybody that served with him and bragged about it probably was too.

I took a mental snapshot of that moment.
-c