Avgas Where is the ceiling?

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 02:40:55 -0500, "Montblack"
wrote:

("Roger" wrote)
BTW There was a good program on tonight that started out showing some old
photos of glaciers and then faded to the present view from the same
location. Now that was eye opening!


I think that's happened three or four times in the past 15,000 years. On the
flip side, some early Middle Ages tapestries depict 'the year there was no
summer' in meticulous detail. That particular Mini Ice Age destroyed the
once thriving English wine making industry - for example.

My question is always:
If not for Global Warming (capitalized because it's now a religion)
...wouldn't we be locked in one of Earth's many Ice Ages, still?

There is a problem with the figures though. Research is showing that
the CO2 llevels are far higher than they have been during any warm
periods they can measure. I believe it is almost double what it
should be for a peak and it's the highest they've measured going back
nearly a half million years. They are coming up with some pretty
concrete figures as far as the excess CO2 and correlating it with the
temperature rise.



I believe 95% of GW is the Sun, and the Earth's tilt/wobble, and the ocean's
salinity/density/fresh water cycles, and the planet's solid iron core

The salinity/fresh water cycles are tied to the temperature.

flipping polarity, etc, etc, etc. But yes, I do think we need to work on our
5%.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com


Montblack
Setting rivers on fire ain't nothing...

"Roger" wrote in message
...
My question is always:
If not for Global Warming (capitalized because it's now a religion)
...wouldn't we be locked in one of Earth's many Ice Ages, still?

There is a problem with the figures though. Research is showing that
the CO2 llevels are far higher than they have been during any warm
periods they can measure. I believe it is almost double what it
should be for a peak and it's the highest they've measured going back
nearly a half million years. They are coming up with some pretty
concrete figures as far as the excess CO2 and correlating it with the
temperature rise.

Professor Richard S. Lindzen, the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology,
Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences, would be surprised
to hear that.

http://www-eaps.mit.edu/faculty/lindzen.htm (Page down to publications)

On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:11:48 -0700, "Matt Barrow"
wrote:


"Roger" wrote in message
.. .
My question is always:
If not for Global Warming (capitalized because it's now a religion)
...wouldn't we be locked in one of Earth's many Ice Ages, still?

There is a problem with the figures though. Research is showing that
the CO2 llevels are far higher than they have been during any warm
periods they can measure. I believe it is almost double what it
should be for a peak and it's the highest they've measured going back
nearly a half million years. They are coming up with some pretty
concrete figures as far as the excess CO2 and correlating it with the
temperature rise.

Professor Richard S. Lindzen, the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology,
Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences, would be surprised
to hear that.

I think his is one of the few dissenting voices.


http://www-eaps.mit.edu/faculty/lindzen.htm (Page down to publications)


Which publication? I found pages of the things.:-))

Like many things you will be able to find creditable scientists
supporting opposing views.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

"Roger" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:11:48 -0700, "Matt Barrow"
wrote:


"Roger" wrote in message
. ..
My question is always:
If not for Global Warming (capitalized because it's now a religion)
...wouldn't we be locked in one of Earth's many Ice Ages, still?

There is a problem with the figures though. Research is showing that
the CO2 llevels are far higher than they have been during any warm
periods they can measure. I believe it is almost double what it
should be for a peak and it's the highest they've measured going back
nearly a half million years. They are coming up with some pretty
concrete figures as far as the excess CO2 and correlating it with the
temperature rise.

Professor Richard S. Lindzen, the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of
Meteorology,
Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences, would be
surprised
to hear that.

I think his is one of the few dissenting voices.

His is about the only one (along with the folks at SEPP) that actually show
data, rather than conjecture.

Also, aside from "consenus" being a political term, not a scientific one,
have you every seen ANYbracnh of science that had 100% "consensus"?

Stink meter just peaked!



http://www-eaps.mit.edu/faculty/lindzen.htm (Page down to publications)


Which publication? I found pages of the things.:-))

1) "Understanding Common Climate Claims"

and 2) Statement Concerning Global Warming



Like many things you will be able to find creditable scientists
supporting opposing views.

Such as? Do you mean the credible scientists that have been found to have
faked massive points of data, falsified reports...?

Did you catch the several THOUSAND _CLIMATOLOGISTS_ that signed the (Oregon
IIRC) Petition?

Not politicians, not academic "researchers" on government grants,
CLIMATOLOGISTS?

Check if here http://www.sepp.org