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On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 04:30:24 -0500, "Jim Macklin"
wrote:

Japan has two cities that were bombed with very dirty bombs
[because they were so inefficient and large].

Not entirely true, Jim. They were air-burst bombs *in order that*
there would be a minimum of radioactive debris.

Had Little Boy and Fat Man burst at ground level, the situation in
Hiroshima and Nagasaki would not have been nearly so mild.

- all the best, Dan Ford

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"Cub Driver" usenet AT danford DOT net wrote in message
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On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 04:30:24 -0500, "Jim Macklin"
wrote:

Japan has two cities that were bombed with very dirty bombs
[because they were so inefficient and large].

Not entirely true, Jim. They were air-burst bombs *in order that*
there would be a minimum of radioactive debris.

They were air bursts because the shock wave spread out, maximizing damage.


Had Little Boy and Fat Man burst at ground level, the situation in
Hiroshima and Nagasaki would not have been nearly so mild.

If it had been a surface detonation, the damage would have been
substantially LESS.

"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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"Cub Driver" usenet AT danford DOT net wrote in message
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Had Little Boy and Fat Man burst at ground level, the situation in
Hiroshima and Nagasaki would not have been nearly so mild.

If it had been a surface detonation, the damage would have been
substantially LESS.



Damage maybe, but not future liveability.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were liveable after 5 years.

Chernobyl reportedly wasn't even a nuclear explosion, just a steam
explosion... but it carried nuclear material from the surface over a wide
area, and is still basically unliveable 20 years later.

On Mon, 1 May 2006 07:04:10 -0700, "Matt Barrow"
wrote:

Not entirely true, Jim. They were air-burst bombs *in order that*
there would be a minimum of radioactive debris.

They were air bursts because the shock wave spread out, maximizing damage.

That's not what Leslie Groves said at the time. Sorry. History is what
is is.

- all the best, Dan Ford

Wikipedia: the belief that 10,000 monkeys playing at
10,000 keyboards can create a reference work

"Cub Driver" usenet AT danford DOT net wrote in message
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On Mon, 1 May 2006 07:04:10 -0700, "Matt Barrow"
wrote:

Not entirely true, Jim. They were air-burst bombs *in order that*
there would be a minimum of radioactive debris.

They were air bursts because the shock wave spread out, maximizing damage.

That's not what Leslie Groves said at the time. Sorry. History is what
is is.

Leslie Groves, huh. Funny, he and Teller have differing views.

They were dirty bombs that used a large amount of uranium
and or plutonium, only a small part was actually fisioned,
but it was all part of the high energy fallout. The bombs
were large and as you said, were air burst at about 2,000
AGL.
A ground penetration bomb was not possible at the time and
an air burst maximized the destructive radius. Today we can
make a bomb that will detonate several hundred feet
underground with minimal ejection of debris.

I would expect that only a few such bombs would be used,
most bombs would be conventional. Oil fields and terminals
would not likely be targeted.



--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

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"Cub Driver" usenet AT danford DOT net wrote in message
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| On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 04:30:24 -0500, "Jim Macklin"
| wrote:
|
| Japan has two cities that were bombed with very dirty
bombs
| [because they were so inefficient and large].
|
| Not entirely true, Jim. They were air-burst bombs *in
order that*
| there would be a minimum of radioactive debris.
|
| Had Little Boy and Fat Man burst at ground level, the
situation in
| Hiroshima and Nagasaki would not have been nearly so mild.
|
| - all the best, Dan Ford
|
| Wikipedia: the belief that 10,000 monkeys playing at
| 10,000 keyboards can create a reference work

And the rest of the world would just sit around and watch? If we
unilaterally used nuclear weapons 1st against anyone, the entire world would
be united against us. The top priority of every country would be to get
their own nuclear arsenal to stop any similar attack on them. In short
order, you'd have a nuclear arms race that would dwarf anything we've ever
seen.

It's amazing to me the inability of people to anticipate even the most
obvious secondary effects of what they advocate.

Mike Schumann

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
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They were dirty bombs that used a large amount of uranium
and or plutonium, only a small part was actually fisioned,
but it was all part of the high energy fallout. The bombs
were large and as you said, were air burst at about 2,000
AGL.
A ground penetration bomb was not possible at the time and
an air burst maximized the destructive radius. Today we can
make a bomb that will detonate several hundred feet
underground with minimal ejection of debris.

I would expect that only a few such bombs would be used,
most bombs would be conventional. Oil fields and terminals
would not likely be targeted.



--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties.


"Cub Driver" usenet AT danford DOT net wrote in message
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| On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 04:30:24 -0500, "Jim Macklin"
| wrote:
|
| Japan has two cities that were bombed with very dirty
bombs
| [because they were so inefficient and large].
|
| Not entirely true, Jim. They were air-burst bombs *in
order that*
| there would be a minimum of radioactive debris.
|
| Had Little Boy and Fat Man burst at ground level, the
situation in
| Hiroshima and Nagasaki would not have been nearly so mild.
|
| - all the best, Dan Ford
|
| Wikipedia: the belief that 10,000 monkeys playing at
| 10,000 keyboards can create a reference work

In article et,
"Mike Schumann" wrote:

It's amazing to me the inability of people to anticipate even the most
obvious secondary effects of what they advocate.

indeed. :-/

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

"Bob Noel" wrote in message
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In article et,
"Mike Schumann" wrote:

It's amazing to me the inability of people to anticipate even the most
obvious secondary effects of what they advocate.

indeed. :-/

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate


We have had many discussions here regarding recklessness. I note that it's
definition is "without regard for consequences". It seems to be a lot more
common than we like to admit.

On Tue, 02 May 2006 02:32:17 GMT, "Mike Schumann"
wrote:

And the rest of the world would just sit around and watch? If we
unilaterally used nuclear weapons 1st against anyone, the entire world would
be united against us. The top priority of every country would be to get
their own nuclear arsenal to stop any similar attack on them.

Not really. If the price of getting your own nuclear arsenal is a
nuclear attack, Iran wouldn't have many followers.

(That's not to say it's a great idea, or a likely scenario.)


- all the best, Dan Ford

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