Catheter question

One thing to watch out for is where the urine goes once it is outside
the aircraft as it is very corrosive to metal parts. During my annual
yesterday we found some unusual corrosion on the aileron bellcrank
mount. All other controls are in great shape. There is a drain hole in
the fusilage just aft of the gear doors and the drain tube termination.
I am speculating that some of the urine 'mist' may be getting inside
the fusilage and causing the corrosion. The mount is directly aft of
this drain hole and of course inside the fusilage.

I have also heard from other pilots of corrosion in the wheel and brake
areas due to this problem.

Of course you can prevent or remedy this problem. I am going to plug
the drain hole and the wheel problem could be remedied with regular
cleaning. The point is that you need to beware of where on your
aircraft the urinne may be depositied and take care of it.

I really think a catheter is the way to go because you need to nothing
else but think about it and it is done! But I am now thinking I may
have the tube go into a baggie filled with an absorbant material
instead of releasing the urine under the glider.

A few comments;

1) The combination of a catheter and urine bag is the way to go (no pun
intended) in my book. When you need to go, there is no thinking about
it or fiddling with anything. Well...maybe some thinking

2) The bag has a one way valve at the inlet side and a twist lock drain
at the outlet end. It guarantees whatever has flowed into the bag,
will remain in the bag.

3) I often have the urine bag uphill from the "point of effluence".
Every cathether based system has this "issue" to a certain extent.
But, because the whole thing is sealed, this has never been an issue
with me. With a bag, after landing I can stand up and drain the whole
shooting match end-to-end. If you are embarassed by an exposed bag, I
have in the past strapped the bag to my calf with the elastic straps
that are provided with every bag.

4) Between the bag and the catheter I use surgical hose. There is a
barbed connector that comes with the bag. The catheter is basically
also a hose fitting. Therefore you need a male-to-male barbed
connector (jeez, that sounds nasty) to make the final connection.

5) I never went with the external relief tubing as my glider is
standard certified and I was worried about any modification.

6) My first effort to get myself equipped was at a medical supply
store. After spending some time explaining why a pilot would need
something that is generally relegated to geriatric wards, the clerk was
able to help me with all my initial needs, connectors, bags, etc.

7) Stick with Mentor brand Clear Advantage with Aloe. Get ahold of
some Detachol if you are worried about the seperation of you from the
catheter.

Give it a try, you can always go back to your current method. Good
luck.

Far too complicated.

I use bio-degradable plastic bags. Pee into and pop out of the window.

"ContestID67" wrote in message
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A few comments;

1) The combination of a catheter and urine bag is the way to go (no pun
intended) in my book. When you need to go, there is no thinking about
it or fiddling with anything. Well...maybe some thinking

2) The bag has a one way valve at the inlet side and a twist lock drain
at the outlet end. It guarantees whatever has flowed into the bag,
will remain in the bag.

3) I often have the urine bag uphill from the "point of effluence".
Every cathether based system has this "issue" to a certain extent.
But, because the whole thing is sealed, this has never been an issue
with me. With a bag, after landing I can stand up and drain the whole
shooting match end-to-end. If you are embarassed by an exposed bag, I
have in the past strapped the bag to my calf with the elastic straps
that are provided with every bag.

4) Between the bag and the catheter I use surgical hose. There is a
barbed connector that comes with the bag. The catheter is basically
also a hose fitting. Therefore you need a male-to-male barbed
connector (jeez, that sounds nasty) to make the final connection.

5) I never went with the external relief tubing as my glider is
standard certified and I was worried about any modification.

6) My first effort to get myself equipped was at a medical supply
store. After spending some time explaining why a pilot would need
something that is generally relegated to geriatric wards, the clerk was
able to help me with all my initial needs, connectors, bags, etc.

7) Stick with Mentor brand Clear Advantage with Aloe. Get ahold of
some Detachol if you are worried about the seperation of you from the
catheter.

Give it a try, you can always go back to your current method. Good
luck.

You must be 1) more coordinated that I am and 2) larger that I am.

I simply cannot get my "equipment" exposed and aimed into a bag, while
flying, and while lying prone.

This may sound complicated but it really isn't. Flying safely is
complicated.

ContestID67 wrote:
You must be 1) more coordinated that I am and 2) larger that I am.

I simply cannot get my "equipment" exposed and aimed into a bag, while
flying, and while lying prone.

Ah - perhaps I should have elaborated...

I have used 'plumbed' pee bags. This means I wear an external catheter
which is attached to the 'deflated' pee bag by a tube. It is essential
to connect this up the right way as the valves on the pee bag are 'non
return' and so if connected backwards you end up with a balooning
catheter (quickly followed by a wet parachute)!!!

--
Robert Hart
+61 (0)438 385 533 http://www.hart.wattle.id.au

Bert Willing wrote:

I use bio-degradable plastic bags.

Can you point me to a source? Thanks.

Stefan

Hi,

I guess this is just a personal opinion, but I really despise the idea of
tossing any kind of bag full of pee out of a glider - regardless of whether
or not it is bio-degradable.

I don't imagine that the bag would make it to the ground full of pee, but if
it did it could be dangerous.

But my main concern is the littering. Here we are in a silent, elegant and
graceful sailplane, getting close to nature as sailors do, and we through
garbage out the window to mess up the beautiful world we see out our window?
That just doesn't make sense to me.

For those reasons I highly recommend using a condom catheter and collection
bag that you keep in the glider and dispose of upon landing. Or route the
tube out the bottom of the glider - no pee will reach the ground.

OK. I'm off my soapbox.

Good Soaring,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com

"Stefan" wrote in message
...
Bert Willing wrote:

I use bio-degradable plastic bags.

Can you point me to a source? Thanks.

Stefan

I agree with Paul.


Paul Remde wrote:
Hi,

I guess this is just a personal opinion, but I really despise the idea of
tossing any kind of bag full of pee out of a glider - regardless of whether
or not it is bio-degradable.

I don't imagine that the bag would make it to the ground full of pee, but if
it did it could be dangerous.

But my main concern is the littering. Here we are in a silent, elegant and
graceful sailplane, getting close to nature as sailors do, and we through
garbage out the window to mess up the beautiful world we see out our window?
That just doesn't make sense to me.

For those reasons I highly recommend using a condom catheter and collection
bag that you keep in the glider and dispose of upon landing. Or route the
tube out the bottom of the glider - no pee will reach the ground.

OK. I'm off my soapbox.

Good Soaring,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com

I agree with Paul. I use a catheter system that goes into a Camelback
liner that fits nicely into a slot I cut into my glider's seat pan. One
of the many tricks I learned from Dave Nelson.

Paul Remde wrote:
Hi,

I guess this is just a personal opinion, but I really despise the idea of
tossing any kind of bag full of pee out of a glider - regardless of whether
or not it is bio-degradable.

I don't imagine that the bag would make it to the ground full of pee, but if
it did it could be dangerous.

But my main concern is the littering. Here we are in a silent, elegant and
graceful sailplane, getting close to nature as sailors do, and we through
garbage out the window to mess up the beautiful world we see out our window?
That just doesn't make sense to me.

For those reasons I highly recommend using a condom catheter and collection
bag that you keep in the glider and dispose of upon landing. Or route the
tube out the bottom of the glider - no pee will reach the ground.

OK. I'm off my soapbox.

Good Soaring,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com

"Stefan" wrote in message
...
Bert Willing wrote:

I use bio-degradable plastic bags.

Can you point me to a source? Thanks.

Stefan

Well, I then hope that you don't use one of these gas wasting SUV's for your
ride to the airfield, but take your bike...

"Paul Remde" wrote in message
news:0YJ8g.725372$084.305390@attbi_s22...
Hi,

I guess this is just a personal opinion, but I really despise the idea of
tossing any kind of bag full of pee out of a glider - regardless of
whether or not it is bio-degradable.

I don't imagine that the bag would make it to the ground full of pee, but
if it did it could be dangerous.

But my main concern is the littering. Here we are in a silent, elegant
and graceful sailplane, getting close to nature as sailors do, and we
through garbage out the window to mess up the beautiful world we see out
our window? That just doesn't make sense to me.

For those reasons I highly recommend using a condom catheter and
collection bag that you keep in the glider and dispose of upon landing. Or
route the tube out the bottom of the glider - no pee will reach the
ground.

OK. I'm off my soapbox.

Good Soaring,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com

"Stefan" wrote in message
...
Bert Willing wrote:

I use bio-degradable plastic bags.

Can you point me to a source? Thanks.

Stefan