IFR use of handheld GPS

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The ATC folks like to quote FAA Order 7110.65R
http://www.faa.gov/atpubs/ATC/Chp5/atc0505.html#5-5-1 which says, among
other stuff that I don't understand, that "Radar separation shall be
applied to all RNAV aircraft operating on a random (impromptu) route at
or below FL 450..."


You're in the wrong chapter. See paragraphs 4-1-1 and 4-1-2 at the link
below:

http://www.faa.gov/atpubs/ATC/Chp4/atc0401.html

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
wrote in message
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The ATC folks like to quote FAA Order 7110.65R
http://www.faa.gov/atpubs/ATC/Chp5/atc0505.html#5-5-1 which says, among
other stuff that I don't understand, that "Radar separation shall be
applied to all RNAV aircraft operating on a random (impromptu) route at
or below FL 450..."


You're in the wrong chapter. See paragraphs 4-1-1 and 4-1-2 at the link
below:

http://www.faa.gov/atpubs/ATC/Chp4/atc0401.html

Uh, you are referencing procedures for issuing a direct clearance to a
navaid, what I quoted was for the ever popular direct-to-an-airport
clearance, if I am understanding things right. It shows up again as
Note 1 in paragraph 4-1-2.

Robert M. Gary wrote:
If the handheld had failed, I could have navigated by map reading.


Since direct can only be given under radar control (IFR GPS or
otherwise) if you lost your handheld you could have just asked for
vectors. I used to note "VFR GPS on board" on my IFR flight plan. I no
longer need to, ATC seems to assume everyone can take direct now. The
/G just lets them know to offer you a GPS approach.

-Robert

You have to be real careful with those direct-to's in the intermountain
West, especially with a normally aspirated bird.

You have to be real careful with those direct-to's in the intermountain
West, especially with a normally aspirated bird.

That's exactly why I almost never get direct. The airways do a good job
of threading the mountains for me. I wish a Garmin exec would visit out
here, perhaps then we'd get airwasy in the Garmin units.

-Robert (base of the Sierras)