IFR use of handheld GPS

gregscheetah wrote:
Since direct can only be given under radar control (IFR GPS or
otherwise) ....


I am not sure where everyone is getting this information. Maybe it is
a 'rule' but I have often been given direct routes when out of ATC
radar and, for a while, out of ATC communications.

The "rule" is that direct routes initiated by ATC are limited to the
service volume of VOR (or rarely, NDBs) and the controller can assure
that MIAs will not be violated.

When the pilot makes the request, though, let the buyer beware.

Sam Spade wrote:


The "rule" is that direct routes initiated by ATC are limited to the
service volume of VOR (or rarely, NDBs) and the controller can assure
that MIAs will not be violated.

When the pilot makes the request, though, let the buyer beware.



It is irrelavant who makes the request, the rules are the same.

Newps wrote:


Sam Spade wrote:


The "rule" is that direct routes initiated by ATC are limited to the
service volume of VOR (or rarely, NDBs) and the controller can assure
that MIAs will not be violated.

When the pilot makes the request, though, let the buyer beware.




It is irrelavant who makes the request, the rules are the same.

That's sure what is says on paper. Still, let the "buyer beware" when
he makes the request.

On Thu, 04 May 2006 13:41:13 -0700, Sam Spade
wrote:

Newps wrote:


Sam Spade wrote:


The "rule" is that direct routes initiated by ATC are limited to the
service volume of VOR (or rarely, NDBs) and the controller can assure
that MIAs will not be violated.

When the pilot makes the request, though, let the buyer beware.




It is irrelavant who makes the request, the rules are the same.

That's sure what is says on paper. Still, let the "buyer beware" when
he makes the request.

Why?

I regularly file, 3BS direct LDM (94 miles), Direct MTW(55 miles),
Direct OSH (39 miles). Coming home I file the reverse but still direct
Each is in a different sector. 3BS (Cleveland Center) is an airport,
LMD(Minneapolis Center) is an NDB, MTW (Green Bay?) is a VOR, and OSH
is both an airport and VOR (Chicago)

Altitudes vary between 5,000 and 8,000 although I have been sent
higher on occasion.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Roger wrote:

On Thu, 04 May 2006 13:41:13 -0700, Sam Spade
wrote:


Newps wrote:


Sam Spade wrote:


The "rule" is that direct routes initiated by ATC are limited to the
service volume of VOR (or rarely, NDBs) and the controller can assure
that MIAs will not be violated.

When the pilot makes the request, though, let the buyer beware.




It is irrelavant who makes the request, the rules are the same.

That's sure what is says on paper. Still, let the "buyer beware" when
he makes the request.


Why?

My caution applies primarily in the Western DMA. You are home free in
the middle of the country above 4,000, or so, and 8,000, or so in the
Eastern DMA. In the Western DMA there are airways a whole lot lower
than areas between them.

My caution applies primarily in the Western DMA. You are home free in
the middle of the country above 4,000, or so, and 8,000, or so in the
Eastern DMA. In the Western DMA there are airways a whole lot lower
than areas between them.

DMA?

Dave Butler wrote:

My caution applies primarily in the Western DMA. You are home free in
the middle of the country above 4,000, or so, and 8,000, or so in the
Eastern DMA. In the Western DMA there are airways a whole lot lower
than areas between them.


DMA?

Designated Mountainous Area

"Sam Spade" wrote in message
news:J4F6g.175209$bm6.131782@fed1read04...

My caution applies primarily in the Western DMA. You are home free in the
middle of the country above 4,000, or so, and 8,000, or so in the Eastern
DMA. In the Western DMA there are airways a whole lot lower than areas
between them.


An MIA applies to the areas between them.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Sam Spade" wrote in message
news:J4F6g.175209$bm6.131782@fed1read04...

My caution applies primarily in the Western DMA. You are home free in the
middle of the country above 4,000, or so, and 8,000, or so in the Eastern
DMA. In the Western DMA there are airways a whole lot lower than areas
between them.



An MIA applies to the areas between them.



And, we hope it is applied.

"Roger" wrote in message
...

Why?

I regularly file, 3BS direct LDM (94 miles), Direct MTW(55 miles),
Direct OSH (39 miles). Coming home I file the reverse but still direct
Each is in a different sector. 3BS (Cleveland Center) is an airport,
LMD(Minneapolis Center) is an NDB, MTW (Green Bay?) is a VOR, and OSH
is both an airport and VOR (Chicago)

Altitudes vary between 5,000 and 8,000 although I have been sent
higher on occasion.


It appears all of that route is within radar coverage at those altitudes. I
don't see your point.