Scared of mid-airs

"Jose" wrote

I have decided (for now) to avoid that area until I get my instrument
rating, and can file IFR through that part....

...where you will still have to engage the Mark I eyeball.


Yeah, but the sky will not be full of VFR pilot's and it will be radar
controlled.
So I will not run the risk on flying there the odd day radar is not up for
VFR.

At least ATC will have the legal responsability to give you traffic info.
I feel it's confusing that in someparts, you get loads of traffic info,
other parts none, and nobody really tells you unless you really ask them.

I always add "request traffic information enroute" when I initially contact
ATC. That way, they will at least say "no known traffic in the area" or
something on initial contact, or "no radar cover in your area"

If I'm in A airspace flying IFR on a bright day, there's lesser chance of
hitting another light aircraft than if I'm 50 feet below A airspace with
evry other VFR plane at excactly the same altitude.

I know off course that seperation in VMC while flying IFR is also the
reponsability of the pilot, but A-class airspace has got to have more
traffic sep from ATC than G-class, I think we can agree on that.

Frode

On Sat, 6 May 2006 15:28:33 +0200, "Frode Berg"
wrote in ::

I know off course that seperation in VMC while flying IFR is also the
reponsability of the pilot, but A-class airspace has got to have more
traffic sep from ATC than G-class, I think we can agree on that.

Right. In Class A airspace ATC provides separation for all.

Yes, and class A is prohibited for VFR.


Frode


"Larry Dighera" skrev i melding
...
On Sat, 6 May 2006 15:28:33 +0200, "Frode Berg"
wrote in ::

I know off course that seperation in VMC while flying IFR is also the
reponsability of the pilot, but A-class airspace has got to have more
traffic sep from ATC than G-class, I think we can agree on that.

Right. In Class A airspace ATC provides separation for all.

In a previous article, "Frode Berg" said:
Yes, and class A is prohibited for VFR.

I understand there are exceptions to that rule, especially for sailplanes
riding mountain waves.


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"Imagine if every Thursday your shoes exploded if you tied them the
usual way. This happens to us all the time with computers, and nobody
thinks of complaining." -- Jef Raskin, interviewed in Doctor Dobb's Journal

I did not know this.

On all the definitions of various air classes I've seen, all have stated
"prohibited for VFR" on the class A airspace.

Are you sure about this?

What's the source?

Frode


"Paul Tomblin" skrev i melding
...
In a previous article, "Frode Berg" said:
Yes, and class A is prohibited for VFR.

I understand there are exceptions to that rule, especially for sailplanes
riding mountain waves.


--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
"Imagine if every Thursday your shoes exploded if you tied them the
usual way. This happens to us all the time with computers, and nobody
thinks of complaining." -- Jef Raskin, interviewed in Doctor Dobb's
Journal

In a previous article, "Frode Berg" said:
I did not know this.

On all the definitions of various air classes I've seen, all have stated
"prohibited for VFR" on the class A airspace.

Are you sure about this?

What's the source?

In the Canadian regulations, it says

601.06(1) No person shall operate a VFR aircraft in Class A airspace
unless the aircraft is operated in accordance with an authorization
issued by the Minister.
(2) The Minister may issue an authorization referred to in
subsection (1) where the operation of the aircraft is in the public
interest and not likely to affect aviation safety.

In the FARs, it says:

Section 91.135: Operations in Class A airspace.

Except as provided in paragraph (d) of this section, each person operating
an aircraft in Class A airspace must conduct that operation under
instrument flight rules (IFR) and in compliance with the following:

(a) Clearance. Operations may be conducted only under an ATC clearance
received prior to entering the airspace.

(b) Communications. Unless otherwise authorized by ATC, each aircraft
operating in Class A airspace must be equipped with a two-way radio
capable of communicating with ATC on a frequency assigned by ATC. Each
pilot must maintain two-way radio communications with ATC while operating
in Class A airspace.

(c) Transponder requirement. Unless otherwise authorized by ATC, no person
may operate an aircraft within Class A airspace unless that aircraft is
equipped with the applicable equipment specified in §91.215.

(d) ATC authorizations. An operator may deviate from any provision of this
section under the provisions of an ATC authorization issued by the ATC
facility having jurisdiction of the airspace concerned. In the case of an
inoperative transponder, ATC may immediately approve an operation within a
Class A airspace area allowing flight to continue, if desired, to the
airport of ultimate destination, including any intermediate stops, or to
proceed to a place where suitable repairs can be made, or both. Requests
for deviation from any provision of this section must be submitted in
writing, at least 4 days before the proposed operation. ATC may authorize
a deviation on a continuing basis or for an individual flight.

Note that both regulations have an "out" that allows you to operate in
Class A under VFR if you have authorization. Like I said before, I've
heard of these authorizations being granted to sailplanes trying to reach
high altitudes on mountain waves.

--
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"We sealed our federal pact without bloodshed and without exploitation of
the weak by the strong. All it took was fairness, justice and some
compromises on both sides." - George-Etienne Cartier.

"Paul Tomblin" skrev i melding
...
In a previous article, "Frode Berg" said:
Yes, and class A is prohibited for VFR.

I understand there are exceptions to that rule, especially for sailplanes
riding mountain waves.


--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
"Imagine if every Thursday your shoes exploded if you tied them the
usual way. This happens to us all the time with computers, and nobody
thinks of complaining." -- Jef Raskin, interviewed in Doctor Dobb's
Journal

On Sun, 7 May 2006 11:17:04 +0200, "Frode Berg"
wrote in ::

I did not know this.

On all the definitions of various air classes I've seen, all have stated
"prohibited for VFR" on the class A airspace.

Are you sure about this?

What's the source?

Frode


http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text....1.3.10.2.4.20

§ 91.135 Operations in Class A airspace.
top
Except as provided in paragraph (d) of this section, each person
operating an aircraft in Class A airspace must conduct that operation
under instrument flight rules (IFR) and in compliance with the
following:

(a) Clearance. Operations may be conducted only under an ATC clearance
received prior to entering the airspace.

(b) Communications. Unless otherwise authorized by ATC, each aircraft
operating in Class A airspace must be equipped with a two-way radio
capable of communicating with ATC on a frequency assigned by ATC. Each
pilot must maintain two-way radio communications with ATC while
operating in Class A airspace.

(c) Transponder requirement. Unless otherwise authorized by ATC, no
person may operate an aircraft within Class A airspace unless that
aircraft is equipped with the applicable equipment specified in
§91.215.

(d) ATC authorizations. An operator may deviate from any provision of
this section under the provisions of an ATC authorization issued by
the ATC facility having jurisdiction of the airspace concerned. In the
case of an inoperative transponder, ATC may immediately approve an
operation within a Class A airspace area allowing flight to continue,
if desired, to the airport of ultimate destination, including any
intermediate stops, or to proceed to a place where suitable repairs
can be made, or both. Requests for deviation from any provision of
this section must be submitted in writing, at least 4 days before the
proposed operation. ATC may authorize a deviation on a continuing
basis or for an individual flight.

[Doc. No. 24458, 56 FR 65659, Dec. 17, 1991]

Frode,

What's the source?


Personal experience. FL300 in a glider above Minden, NV, after
coordination with ATC and opening of their "wave box". Radio contact
required, too.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)