Cabin Class?

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message

If you can stand up, it is cabin class. Club seating does
not make "cabin class."

I never heard that stand-up headroom was a requirment to be termed cabin
class. I've flown several airplanes over the years, such as 400 series
Cessnas and some small-med turboprops, configured for both airline and
charter/corporate use, all of which were termed cabin class by ops, mx, and
the Fed, but none of which offered stand-up headroom. There are numerous
exec jets that don't offer stand-up headroom. I don't pretend to know the
exact specs, if any exist, but I don't think stand up is one of them.

see
http://www.ezinearticles.com/?Enteri...craft&id=33419
"A corporate flight attendant is typically utilized on a
"cabin class" aircraft. They are larger aircraft with
usually 19 or less seats, where you can easily get up and
walk around the cabin. Compared with a Westwind, Lear, or
Cessna, the larger jets have an aisle to walk up and down
upon and the headroom usually is adequate to allow easy
passage of anyone under 6' tall." end of quote from linked
article.

The Beech 1900 was stretched vertically to make the 1900D
with a taller cabin than the 1900/and other King Airs, so it
has stand-up room. You have to stoop in a King Air and a
Lear 35, Beech Duke, all the 400 series Cessna's require a
deep stoop or almost hands and knees.

A Duke, for instance is a wonderful airplane once you are
seated, same for a 421C, same for a lot of airplanes that
are called "cabin class" by a sales department that is
trying to sell a charter.

When Bill Lear introduced the Lear 20 series, people
complained about the small cabin and his answer was he'd
rather sit in a small cabin for 1 hour than have walking
around room for 3 hours [something like that].


"John Gaquin" wrote in message
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| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in message
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| If you can stand up, it is cabin class. Club seating
does
| not make "cabin class."
|
| I never heard that stand-up headroom was a requirment to
be termed cabin
| class. I've flown several airplanes over the years, such
as 400 series
| Cessnas and some small-med turboprops, configured for both
airline and
| charter/corporate use, all of which were termed cabin
class by ops, mx, and
| the Fed, but none of which offered stand-up headroom.
There are numerous
| exec jets that don't offer stand-up headroom. I don't
pretend to know the
| exact specs, if any exist, but I don't think stand up is
one of them.
|
|

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
news:01b7g.17787$ZW3.13225@dukeread04...
see
http://www.ezinearticles.com/?Enteri...craft&id=33419

Nice, but that article is more of a sales promo than real data.

"A corporate flight attendant is typically utilized on a
"cabin class" aircraft. They are larger aircraft with
usually 19 or less seats, where you can easily get up and
walk around the cabin. Compared with a Westwind, Lear, or
Cessna, the larger jets have an aisle to walk up and down
upon and the headroom usually is adequate to allow easy
passage of anyone under 6' tall." end of quote from linked
article.

Commuter aircraft are quite different than what we're discussing here.

Ask a aircraft maker or a salesman to define cabin class and
you may get two different answers. Ask a charter operator
and you get a third.

That article was just what I came on first, thought I'd cite
a source other than myself.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in message
| news:01b7g.17787$ZW3.13225@dukeread04...
| see
|
http://www.ezinearticles.com/?Enteri...craft&id=33419
|
| Nice, but that article is more of a sales promo than real
data.
|
| "A corporate flight attendant is typically utilized on a
| "cabin class" aircraft. They are larger aircraft with
| usually 19 or less seats, where you can easily get up
and
| walk around the cabin. Compared with a Westwind, Lear,
or
| Cessna, the larger jets have an aisle to walk up and
down
| upon and the headroom usually is adequate to allow easy
| passage of anyone under 6' tall." end of quote from
linked
| article.
|
| Commuter aircraft are quite different than what we're
discussing here.
|
|

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message

seated, same for a 421C, same for a lot of airplanes that
are called "cabin class" by a sales department that is
trying to sell a charter.

The 400 series Cessna and several other similar craft have been defined as
cabin-class for years not only by sales departments, but by operators and
feds, too, each of which carries as much or more legitimacy than your cited
article, which is naught more than someone else's sales pitch. Nice try.
Stand-up headroom would be a valid standard to start with, except that you'd
be about 50 years late in applying it.

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
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"Jim Macklin" wrote in message

If you can stand up, it is cabin class. Club seating does
not make "cabin class."

I never heard that stand-up headroom was a requirment to be termed cabin
class. I've flown several airplanes over the years, such as 400 series
Cessnas and some small-med turboprops, configured for both airline and
charter/corporate use, all of which were termed cabin class by ops, mx,
and the Fed, but none of which offered stand-up headroom. There are
numerous exec jets that don't offer stand-up headroom. I don't pretend to
know the exact specs, if any exist, but I don't think stand up is one of
them.
See my response to Jim.

"John Gaquin" writes:

If you can stand up, it is cabin class. Club seating does not
make "cabin class."

I never heard that stand-up headroom was a requirment to be termed cabin
class. [...]

Perhaps the main operational difference is whether or not the cabin is
pressurized.

- FChE

"Frank Ch. Eigler" wrote in message
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"John Gaquin" writes:

If you can stand up, it is cabin class. Club seating does not
make "cabin class."

I never heard that stand-up headroom was a requirment to be termed cabin
class. [...]

Perhaps the main operational difference is whether or not the cabin is
pressurized.

Cessna 402?

LoadStar




"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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| "Frank Ch. Eigler" wrote in message
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| "John Gaquin" writes:
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| If you can stand up, it is cabin class. Club seating
does not
| make "cabin class."
|
| I never heard that stand-up headroom was a requirment
to be termed cabin
| class. [...]
|
| Perhaps the main operational difference is whether or
not the cabin is
| pressurized.
|
| Cessna 402?
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|

"Frank Ch. Eigler" wrote

Perhaps the main operational difference is whether or not the cabin is
pressurized.

The one that makes the most sense to me, is the one about everyone entering
though the same door, and going forward between the seats, to get to the
pilot's seats.
--
Jim in NC