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May 8th 06, 12:43 PM
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No, it was yours, Sam. Whether you knew it or not. Steven simply picked up
on your fairly inocent, but mistaken statement that ATC uses SERVICE VOLUMES to guide direct routing. You even referenced a table that is NOT based on service volumes. You both agree about the limitations on direct routing and Steven knows it. He just likes to nit pick the details. -- ------------------------------- Travis Lake N3094P PWK "Sam Spade" wrote in message news:Pkp7g.175618$bm6.124940@fed1read04... Newps wrote: Sam Spade wrote: No, I need more help to understand how VOR or NDB direct-route assignments by ATC are based on AGL altitudes. They're not, that's a ridiculous assertion. And, it's Stevie's assertion. 
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May 8th 06, 04:50 PM
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"Travis Marlatte" wrote in message om... No, it was yours, Sam. Whether you knew it or not. Steven simply picked up on your fairly inocent, but mistaken statement that ATC uses SERVICE VOLUMES to guide direct routing. You even referenced a table that is NOT based on service volumes. You both agree about the limitations on direct routing and Steven knows it. He just likes to nit pick the details. Details are important. The difference between AGL and MSL altitude at many navaid locations in the US can be several thousand feet.
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May 9th 06, 01:20 PM
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In your usual evasive style I noticed you ignored my post about service volumnes and VFR on top.
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#4
May 9th 06, 02:46 PM
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"Sam Spade" wrote in message news:FO%7g.176005$bm6.51757@fed1read04... In your usual evasive style I noticed you ignored my post about service volumnes and VFR on top. Based on your post, he evaded EVERYTHING (i.e., original post is totally blank).
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#5
May 8th 06, 04:55 PM
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Travis Marlatte wrote:
No, it was yours, Sam. Whether you knew it or not. Steven simply picked up on your fairly inocent, but mistaken statement that ATC uses SERVICE VOLUMES to guide direct routing. You even referenced a table that is NOT based on service volumes. You both agree about the limitations on direct routing and Steven knows it. He just likes to nit pick the details. Those are the values derived from service volumes, so to call them service volumes in the context of the 7110.65 is not only reasonable, it is exactly what the authors of the 7110.65 do as follows: "4-1-4. VFR-ON-TOP Use a route not meeting service volume limitations only if an aircraft requests to operate "VFR-on-top" on this route." To attach precision to a patch-work document such as the 7110.65 is a fool's errand.
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