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May 8th 06, 05:47 PM
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Scared of mid-airs
On Mon, 08 May 2006 11:59:03 -0400, T o d d P a t t i s t
wrote in :: I consider the "Big Sky Theory" to be shorthand for the statement that decreased traffic density decreases MAC risk. There are lots of examples of the practical implementation of that theory. Two that come to mind a Gene Whitt has some nice comments about choosing less-common altitudes below 3000 AGL during cruise or avoiding flying directly over the local reporting point because the even altitudes and directly over the reporting point are more heavily trafficked. I presume that is contained somewhere he http://tinyurl.com/f5ck6 http://www.whittsflying.com/Page3.42...t.htm#Avoiding Other Aircraft There's lots of good advice and information there. Thanks for making me aware of Mr. Whitt's contributions: http://www.whittsflying.com The FAA has discussed this issue in several contexts, including: GPS direct routing, increased vigilance at VOR station passage, increased incidence of MACs near airports and the implementation of WAAS systems. I wasn't able to locate links specific to those FAA references. 
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May 10th 06, 05:57 PM
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Scared of mid-airs
I read several of the posts regarding the fear of mid-airs. If it is
that much concern, perhaps its best if the original poster just stayed home and died in bed. Has anyone else here noticed how many near disasters take place on a very regular basis with cars hurtling at each other at a closing speed of 120mph with nothing more than perhaps 3 feet separation and only a white line to delineate the separation? Fear of mid-airs? Come give me a break! sheeesh
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May 10th 06, 07:33 PM
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Larry
I've been flying over 50 years and have about 23,000 hours logged. I can count the number of near misses with aircraft on one finger. Ya WANNA LIVE FOREVER? sheeesh Rocky aka Ol Shy & Bashful
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#5
May 10th 06, 10:52 PM
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OK.
I will not speak my mind on this forum if this is what happens. Thanks to all the insightful posts by all you other people! I just needed to put some statistics into perspective. After all, I witnessed a mid air right before starting my PPL. However, tha last week I've flown a few times, and haven't thought much about it anymore. I guess mr Ol Shy here is flying around his farm in the middle of nowhere at 300 feet in his ultralight. I only have 250 hours total, and have had 3 close encounters. Not really "near misses" apart from one of them, but they were still to me uncomfortably close, so you claiming 23.000 hours with none....? Hmmm...makes you wonder... Frode "Ol Shy & Bashful" skrev i melding oups.com... Larry I've been flying over 50 years and have about 23,000 hours logged. I can count the number of near misses with aircraft on one finger. Ya WANNA LIVE FOREVER? sheeesh Rocky aka Ol Shy & Bashful
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May 10th 06, 11:02 PM
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Frode
Care to come take a look at my logbooks? I've been flying all over the world and much of it, about 13000 hours, crop dusting. If the thought of a midair scares you, stay on the ground, or in bed..... If you have had several near miisses in your brief career, please let me know where you will be flying so I can avoid the area?
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#7
May 11th 06, 02:29 AM
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Scared of mid-airs
"Frode Berg" wrote in message news  OK. I will not speak my mind on this forum if this is what happens. Thanks to all the insightful posts by all you other people! I just needed to put some statistics into perspective. After all, I witnessed a mid air right before starting my PPL. However, tha last week I've flown a few times, and haven't thought much about it anymore. I guess mr Ol Shy here is flying around his farm in the middle of nowhere at 300 feet in his ultralight. I only have 250 hours total, and have had 3 close encounters. Not really "near misses" apart from one of them, but they were still to me uncomfortably close, so you claiming 23.000 hours with none....? Hmmm...makes you wonder... Frode If you have had three close encounters in 250 hours you might benefit from spending time with an instructor going over scan techniques.
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#8
May 11th 06, 04:00 PM
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Scared of mid-airs
"Ol Shy & Bashful" skrev i melding roups.com... Larry I've been flying over 50 years and have about 23,000 hours logged. I can count the number of near misses with aircraft on one finger. Ya WANNA LIVE FOREVER? sheeesh Rocky aka Ol Shy & Bashful On Wed, 10 May 2006 23:52:34 +0200, "Frode Berg" wrote in :: OK. I will not speak my mind on this forum if this is what happens. Please don't be too sensitive to what is said here. Most folks don't intend to offend anyone. Thanks to all the insightful posts by all you other people! I just needed to put some statistics into perspective. After all, I witnessed a mid air right before starting my PPL. However, tha last week I've flown a few times, and haven't thought much about it anymore. I guess mr Ol Shy here is flying around his farm in the middle of nowhere at 300 feet in his ultralight. I think you've identified the difference in your and Rocky's experiences. A higher air traffic density leads to a higher probability of a MAC. I have no idea how the traffic density over Europe compares to that over various areas of the US, but I can unequivocally state from personal experience, that the traffic density in the skies within 100 miles of LAX can be intimidating. When I was in France few years ago, I got the feeling that aside from Charles De Gaulle, Le Borget and Orly most airports were not very busy. I only have 250 hours total, and have had 3 close encounters. Not really "near misses" apart from one of them, but they were still to me uncomfortably close, so you claiming 23.000 hours with none....? Hmmm...makes you wonder... Frode Rocky's a good guy with a lot of experience to share. He's just stating his view on this subject (a bit tongue-in-cheek I suspect), as are we all. Take what you find useful, and overlook the rest.
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May 15th 06, 03:38 AM
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Scared of mid-airs
"Frode Berg" wrote in message news OK. I will not speak my mind on this forum if this is what happens. Thanks to all the insightful posts by all you other people! I just needed to put some statistics into perspective. After all, I witnessed a mid air right before starting my PPL. However, tha last week I've flown a few times, and haven't thought much about it anymore. I guess mr Ol Shy here is flying around his farm in the middle of nowhere at 300 feet in his ultralight. I only have 250 hours total, and have had 3 close encounters. Not really "near misses" apart from one of them, but they were still to me uncomfortably close, so you claiming 23.000 hours with none....? Hmmm...makes you wonder... Frode Nope. Old Shy, like I did, started flying about fifty years ago when you learned to fly by looking out the windows. As a result looking out the windows becomes a habit when flying. As a result you can see the other traffic and "near misses" just don't happen very darned often. I have also been flying about fifty some odd years all over the country includeing some years flying charters in the NYC area ( yes, it was busy there forty years ago also ) . In that time I have had two near misses. Both were high performance turboprops climbing up beneath me on my same course where I had a hard time seeing them and they were so busy fiddleing with radios and instruments that neither of them was paying any attention to where they were going until they looked up and saw my belly filling their windshield. The other common spot for midairs is short final. You get a high wing on a straight in approach and a low wing in a tight steep pattern and the low wing guy can land on top of the high winger. Be especially vigilant around airports. That is where airplanes often are! :-) Avoid straight in approachs and always roll level for a short spell on base and look to the incoming courseline. Be sure to look high and low because you never know what kind of a glideslope they might be using. It has worked well for me. Highflyer Highflight Aviation Services Pinckneyville Airport ( PJY )
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#10
May 10th 06, 08:22 PM
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Scared of mid-airs
Larry Dighera wrote:
On 10 May 2006 09:57:27 -0700, "Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote in . com:: Fear of mid-airs? Come give me a break! sheeesh I'm sure that's what the victims of these MACs thought too: You have entirely too much free time on your hands. Ever go flying? -- Mortimer Schnerd, RN VE
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