Scared of mid-airs

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Frode
No sense in us getting hot and lathered about it. The comments I read
created my response to them. Your comment about me flying around the
farm in an ultralight was cute even if very inaccurate. They bother me
with all the accidents I've seen them involved in.
I recognize the fact that sometimes those of european extract speak in
a slightly different way and can seem abrasive without meaning to can
be misunderstood.
I've talked to a number of pilots who survived mid-airs and they were
all professional pilots. I also know, or knew, several pro pilots who
were killed in mid-airs. Same can be said for people I knew who were
killed in autos or on motorcycles. Also knew more than a few who were
dead by other means. That doesn't mean I'm gonna just quit life or quit
flying.
I get quite enough scares during a normal spray season to last the rest
of the year. I'll be doing it again this year with helicopters and
probably get crap scared out of me at least once or twice. The normal
season I'll fly 500 hours in 3 1/2 months and often near other aircraft
that are also spraying. We just pay attention to the location of the
other and their spray direction so we don't interfere. I suspect your
idea of a near mid-air and mine are different simply by reason of
experience and exposure.
Cheers
Rocky


Thanks for taking time to post this.

I feel better now. Hope you will have a great season of flying! I am a hobby
pilot (for now) and will be doing hopefully some flying to and from work, if
I can figure out a way to collapse my back seat to transport my instrument
(I am a pro double bass player) as well as a 2 week vacation with my son
hopping around Europe.

Again, thanks for clearing things up, and hopefully we'll never meet in the
air, but a coffe or beer on the ground would always be welcome!

:-)

Frode

Frode
What is a double bass player? Interesting in that I played cello and
string bass professionally for years. I was with a symphony many years
ago (50's) playing cello and was doing jazz licks when the conductor
told me that was not professional. So, I began playing string bass and
had a lot of fun while making money. Amazing how many pilots are also
musicians and that is something I've commented on many times over the
years.
Did you ever have a near miss with a drummer? ggg
BTW....early last year I hit a pine tree while crop spraying in Oregon.
It damaged the boom and one rotor blade. I didn't know about the blade
until I shut down and we saw the damage. Unfortunately that grounded
the helicopter until new blades were put on. One of those deals where
you had to have been there? Like I said, close to you, may be two miles
to me. Again, experience and exposure.
Cheers
Rocky

Double bass is the same as string bass.

I do a lot of travelling, and use the airlines a lot.
However it's a pain to travel with the instrument, and ground crew are not
always nice to my bass.
I've just assumed the bass would not fit in my Arrow until yesterday.
I took it to the hangar, and found out that it fits perfectly though the
door, but I need to be able to fold the back seat to avoid it obstructing
the flap and trim.

Also, by laying it over the back seat, the bass is not resting in a good
position. It's got too much weight on the headstock, but if I can figure out
an easy way to fold down the seatback, like an estate car for example, the
Cherokee will be a perfect cargo hauler for me! :-)

At least on VFR days......

Frode



"Ol Shy & Bashful" skrev i melding
oups.com...
Frode
What is a double bass player? Interesting in that I played cello and
string bass professionally for years. I was with a symphony many years
ago (50's) playing cello and was doing jazz licks when the conductor
told me that was not professional. So, I began playing string bass and
had a lot of fun while making money. Amazing how many pilots are also
musicians and that is something I've commented on many times over the
years.
Did you ever have a near miss with a drummer? ggg
BTW....early last year I hit a pine tree while crop spraying in Oregon.
It damaged the boom and one rotor blade. I didn't know about the blade
until I shut down and we saw the damage. Unfortunately that grounded
the helicopter until new blades were put on. One of those deals where
you had to have been there? Like I said, close to you, may be two miles
to me. Again, experience and exposure.
Cheers
Rocky

In article , Frode Berg wrote:

I've just assumed the bass would not fit in my Arrow until yesterday.
I took it to the hangar, and found out that it fits perfectly though the
door, but I need to be able to fold the back seat to avoid it obstructing
the flap and trim.

Frode,

Turns out, it's fairly easy to remove the rear seats from an Arrow. There
are 4 attach points. The rear 2 are spring-loaded and you just pull
forward/up. The front 2 are on a slide and come out easily when the rear
mounts are up. No tools required.

HTH,

Morris
(BTW, welcome back. I remember you used to post a lot around here)

On Thu, 11 May 2006 12:52:22 -0500, Journeyman
wrote in
::

Turns out, it's fairly easy to remove the rear seats from an Arrow.

What does the Arrow POH say about operating with the rear seats
removed? Is it approved? Does removing the rear seats require the
use of a different weight and balance chart for calculations? Does it
change the category from/to utility/normal? How is performance
affected?

It doesn't say anything in my POH, so I guess it wasn't considered...

Does this mean I need an STC for it?

Frode


"Larry Dighera" skrev i melding
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On Thu, 11 May 2006 12:52:22 -0500, Journeyman
wrote in
::

Turns out, it's fairly easy to remove the rear seats from an Arrow.

What does the Arrow POH say about operating with the rear seats
removed? Is it approved? Does removing the rear seats require the
use of a different weight and balance chart for calculations? Does it
change the category from/to utility/normal? How is performance
affected?

"Larry Dighera" skrev i melding
.. .
On Thu, 11 May 2006 12:52:22 -0500, Journeyman
wrote in
::

Turns out, it's fairly easy to remove the rear seats from an Arrow.

What does the Arrow POH say about operating with the rear seats
removed? Is it approved? Does removing the rear seats require the
use of a different weight and balance chart for calculations? Does it
change the category from/to utility/normal? How is performance
affected?

On Thu, 11 May 2006 22:37:30 +0200, "Frode Berg"
wrote in ::

It doesn't say anything in my POH, so I guess it wasn't considered...

Does this mean I need an STC for it?

Frode


I'm guessing, but if operation with the rear seats removed isn't
mentioned in the POH, it's not approved.

In article , Larry Dighera wrote:

Turns out, it's fairly easy to remove the rear seats from an Arrow.

What does the Arrow POH say about operating with the rear seats
removed? Is it approved? Does removing the rear seats require the
use of a different weight and balance chart for calculations? Does it
change the category from/to utility/normal? How is performance
affected?

Honestly, I don't know. I've never actually flown with the rear seats
removed. I've removed them for access during maintenance, but always
put them back. Given how easy they are to remove, I assumed it should
not be a problem flying without them, modulo the weight/balance change.
I've heard of people flying with the rear seats removed, but never
specifically in the Arrow.


Morris

You need to make a logbook entry for the preventative
maintenance of removing and re-installing the seats. The
weight and balance data needs to be there, if not you need
an A&P the first time to make the entry.


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"Journeyman" wrote in message
. ..
|
| In article , Frode
Berg wrote:
|
| I've just assumed the bass would not fit in my Arrow
until yesterday.
| I took it to the hangar, and found out that it fits
perfectly though the
| door, but I need to be able to fold the back seat to
avoid it obstructing
| the flap and trim.
|
| Frode,
|
| Turns out, it's fairly easy to remove the rear seats from
an Arrow. There
| are 4 attach points. The rear 2 are spring-loaded and you
just pull
| forward/up. The front 2 are on a slide and come out
easily when the rear
| mounts are up. No tools required.
|
| HTH,
|
| Morris
| (BTW, welcome back. I remember you used to post a lot
around here)

In article RAN8g.18382$ZW3.4772@dukeread04, Jim Macklin wrote:
You need to make a logbook entry for the preventative
maintenance of removing and re-installing the seats. The
weight and balance data needs to be there, if not you need
an A&P the first time to make the entry.

Good point. It hadn't occurred to me because the only time
I've removed the seats was for inspection.

Of course, European rules are likely to be different.


Morris