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In article , Frode Berg wrote:

I've just assumed the bass would not fit in my Arrow until yesterday.
I took it to the hangar, and found out that it fits perfectly though the
door, but I need to be able to fold the back seat to avoid it obstructing
the flap and trim.

Frode,

Turns out, it's fairly easy to remove the rear seats from an Arrow. There
are 4 attach points. The rear 2 are spring-loaded and you just pull
forward/up. The front 2 are on a slide and come out easily when the rear
mounts are up. No tools required.

HTH,

Morris
(BTW, welcome back. I remember you used to post a lot around here)

On Thu, 11 May 2006 12:52:22 -0500, Journeyman
wrote in
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Turns out, it's fairly easy to remove the rear seats from an Arrow.

What does the Arrow POH say about operating with the rear seats
removed? Is it approved? Does removing the rear seats require the
use of a different weight and balance chart for calculations? Does it
change the category from/to utility/normal? How is performance
affected?

It doesn't say anything in my POH, so I guess it wasn't considered...

Does this mean I need an STC for it?

Frode


"Larry Dighera" skrev i melding
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On Thu, 11 May 2006 12:52:22 -0500, Journeyman
wrote in
::

Turns out, it's fairly easy to remove the rear seats from an Arrow.

What does the Arrow POH say about operating with the rear seats
removed? Is it approved? Does removing the rear seats require the
use of a different weight and balance chart for calculations? Does it
change the category from/to utility/normal? How is performance
affected?

"Larry Dighera" skrev i melding
.. .
On Thu, 11 May 2006 12:52:22 -0500, Journeyman
wrote in
::

Turns out, it's fairly easy to remove the rear seats from an Arrow.

What does the Arrow POH say about operating with the rear seats
removed? Is it approved? Does removing the rear seats require the
use of a different weight and balance chart for calculations? Does it
change the category from/to utility/normal? How is performance
affected?

On Thu, 11 May 2006 22:37:30 +0200, "Frode Berg"
wrote in ::

It doesn't say anything in my POH, so I guess it wasn't considered...

Does this mean I need an STC for it?

Frode


I'm guessing, but if operation with the rear seats removed isn't
mentioned in the POH, it's not approved.

Larry Dighera wrote:




I'm guessing, but if operation with the rear seats removed isn't
mentioned in the POH, it's not approved.

The POH isn't necessarily relavant. My 182 didn't mention a word about
it. The more important document is the equipment list.

On Thu, 11 May 2006 15:47:58 -0600, Newps wrote
in ::

Larry Dighera wrote:


I'm guessing, but if operation with the rear seats removed isn't
mentioned in the POH, it's not approved.

The POH isn't necessarily relavant. My 182 didn't mention a word about
it. The more important document is the equipment list.

Was the revised W&B located in the equipment list also?

Larry Dighera wrote:

On Thu, 11 May 2006 15:47:58 -0600, Newps wrote
in ::


Larry Dighera wrote:


I'm guessing, but if operation with the rear seats removed isn't
mentioned in the POH, it's not approved.

The POH isn't necessarily relavant. My 182 didn't mention a word about
it. The more important document is the equipment list.


Was the revised W&B located in the equipment list also?

I carried one weight and balance form with three W+B scenarios. All
seats in, rear seat removed and rear and copilot seats removed. The
equipment list gave weights and stations for the seats. I used the
station listed but used actual weight since the seats weighed a little
more with the leather interior I had installed.

In article , Larry Dighera wrote:

Turns out, it's fairly easy to remove the rear seats from an Arrow.

What does the Arrow POH say about operating with the rear seats
removed? Is it approved? Does removing the rear seats require the
use of a different weight and balance chart for calculations? Does it
change the category from/to utility/normal? How is performance
affected?

Honestly, I don't know. I've never actually flown with the rear seats
removed. I've removed them for access during maintenance, but always
put them back. Given how easy they are to remove, I assumed it should
not be a problem flying without them, modulo the weight/balance change.
I've heard of people flying with the rear seats removed, but never
specifically in the Arrow.


Morris

You need to make a logbook entry for the preventative
maintenance of removing and re-installing the seats. The
weight and balance data needs to be there, if not you need
an A&P the first time to make the entry.


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"Journeyman" wrote in message
. ..
|
| In article , Frode
Berg wrote:
|
| I've just assumed the bass would not fit in my Arrow
until yesterday.
| I took it to the hangar, and found out that it fits
perfectly though the
| door, but I need to be able to fold the back seat to
avoid it obstructing
| the flap and trim.
|
| Frode,
|
| Turns out, it's fairly easy to remove the rear seats from
an Arrow. There
| are 4 attach points. The rear 2 are spring-loaded and you
just pull
| forward/up. The front 2 are on a slide and come out
easily when the rear
| mounts are up. No tools required.
|
| HTH,
|
| Morris
| (BTW, welcome back. I remember you used to post a lot
around here)

In article RAN8g.18382$ZW3.4772@dukeread04, Jim Macklin wrote:
You need to make a logbook entry for the preventative
maintenance of removing and re-installing the seats. The
weight and balance data needs to be there, if not you need
an A&P the first time to make the entry.

Good point. It hadn't occurred to me because the only time
I've removed the seats was for inspection.

Of course, European rules are likely to be different.


Morris