Lightning hitting Kennedy's jet.

I'm based in HPN, and we go over to BDR all the time to find some
empty pavement to land on. Why did it drive the guys in the tower
nuts?
We were keeping the tower in business.

I did the same thing when I was instructing at HPN as often times it
got too busy for ATC to work the T&G pattern with heavy airline
trafiic. At Bridgeport it wasn't so much the (then) endless T&G traffic
it was the absolutely clueless students, often with instructors
onboard, that busted the airspace and/or gave bad position reports
and/or screwed up the pattern entry instructions etc. I spent lots of
time hanging out in the tower with my pals and couldn't believe some of
what I'd seen & heard. The pilots that were ahead of the power curve
were never a hassle if they asked for a few circuits, it was the
students & the guys that fly 3 times a year that caused the headaches
for them.

But they were headed for Hyannis which is on the Cape not Martha's Vineyard.
The Kennedy Compound is in Hyannis not the Vineyard.

Understood. The Vineyard is 10 minutes from Hyannis by jet and in all
the years I've been flying out there they've always been referred to as
one unit, right or wrong. Semantics.

Roy S. wrote:

How does it work at fields where locally based aircraft are exempt from landing fees? Do the guys in the tower just recognize the tail numbers of every based aircraft?

Bridgeport doesn't charge landing fees for T&G ops, unlike some
airports. I'm told Farmingdale on Long Island charges $2.50 per ldg
which is why they cross the Sound to go to BDR for practice. Landing
fees are billed every month from the list of IFR arrivals - this list
is compared to the based aircraft list and the local aircraft aren't
sent a bill. VFR arrivals are on the honor system to sign in at the
terminal, and they're sent a bill at month's end. BTW most controllers
do recognize tail numbers of based aircraft after a while.

Kingfish wrote:
Now they have plenty of time to send $6 invoices to Sundowners who do
one T&G.

BDR didn't charge landing fees for T&G aircraft. If it ever happened it
was a mistake as nobody ever paid anyway.


We got a bill just 8 weeks ago. Maybe it's new thing?

We got a bill just 8 weeks ago. Maybe it's new thing?

You got a bill from Bridgeport for touch & goes? If you dispute it
they'll probably toss it. I asked my old boss at airport ops there and
he said the only landing fees that are automatically billed are for IFR
arrivals (acft not based at BDR)

Kingfish wrote:
We got a bill just 8 weeks ago. Maybe it's new thing?

You got a bill from Bridgeport for touch & goes? If you dispute it
they'll probably toss it. I asked my old boss at airport ops there and
he said the only landing fees that are automatically billed are for IFR
arrivals (acft not based at BDR)


Thanks, I'll pass along the info to my co-owner. It's his bill.

Kingfish wrote:

You really are incredibly stupid. The Vineyard is not on the Cape, fool

LOL. Mr. Wannabe pilot is now a navigation expert? Martha's Vineyard is
considered part of Cape Cod, dimwit. Hence the phrase "Cape Cod & the
Islands". But once again you miss the point as you always do.

LOL indeed "Kingfish!" Before you go around flaming someone with your weird
false information, you should attempt to get a clue first. I've lived in both
Cape Cod and Martha's Vineyard for many years. Martha's Vineyard is NOT
considered part of Cape Cod by anyone with any knowledge of the area. (If it
was, you probably wouldn't need to say "and the Islands" lol)

Now if you wanted to try to argue that Cape Cod was part of the islands, you'd
be....right since most of Cape Cod (e.g. everything east of the Cape Cod canal) is
an island, since it is surrounded by water and you can sail around it completely
in a boat.

In article ,
Jessica Marshall wrote:

Now if you wanted to try to argue that Cape Cod was part of the islands,
you'd be....right since most of Cape Cod (e.g. everything east of the
Cape Cod canal) is an island, since it is surrounded by water and you
can sail around it completely in a boat.

Not quite. The Cape Code Canal navigation regulations require sailboats to
transit the canal under auxilliary power (i.e. motor). So, while you *can*
motor around it in a boat, you can't sail around it :-)

"Roy Smith" wrote in message
...

Not quite. The Cape Code Canal navigation regulations require sailboats
to
transit the canal under auxilliary power (i.e. motor). So, while you
*can*
motor around it in a boat, you can't sail around it :-)


Words often have multiple definitions. One widely accepted definition of
"sail" is "to navigate or manage a vessel". So, if you *can* motor around
cape Cod in a boat, you CAN sail around it :-)

Some newbie wrote:

Before you go around flaming someone with your weird false information, you should attempt to get a clue first.

As you are new here, you obviously don't know the reputation of the
putz my comment was directed at. Therefore, I'll cut you some slack and
offer my thanks for your gratuitous lesson in geography : )

I've lived in both Cape Cod and Martha's Vineyard for many years. Martha's Vineyard is NOT considered part of Cape Cod by anyone with any knowledge of the area.

Oddly enough most folks I know consider them one and the same. To those
of us that don't live on Cape Cod, it's just semantics.