FAA Control tower Abandoned

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
news:4qPag.21830$ZW3.19509@dukeread04...

I just recall that out here in the "fly over country" FAA
towers with a scheduled air carrier flight due to arrive
stay open a few extra minutes.


Which?



It is too bad that union rules, FAA rules and company
procedures could not work together to have the passengers in
comfort at their desired destination.


It appears to be solely company procedures that kept the passengers from
their destination. No FAA rule prevents them from landing when the tower is
closed.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote

The FAA spokesman said at least one of the Southwest flights missed an
approach. Did they begin an approach when the observed weather was
below minimums?

It appears to be solely company procedures that kept the passengers
from their destination. No FAA rule prevents them from landing when
the tower is closed.

Ah...Steven....playing with words again? One certainly can't land if
he is prohibited from conducting the required Instrument Approach can
he?

From kstan92's earlier post.....

I looked at the weather history on Weather Underground and PVD reported
visibilities in the 0.1 and 0.2 range around midnight that night, below
the standard ILS minimums for PVD. The Cat II and Cat III approaches
(both to ry 5) are not authorized when the tower is not in operation
according to the U.S. Terminal Procedures for PVD.

Tower not in operation...can't approach...can't approach...can't land.

As far as starting the approach with weather below minimums....sure he
can.....just can't proceed past the final approach fix...

From FAR 121

(b) Except as provided in paragraph (d) of this section, no pilot may
continue an approach past the final approach fix, or where a final
approach fix is not used, begin the final approach segment of an
instrument approach procedure—

(2) At airports within the United States and its territories or at U.S.
military airports, unless the latest weather report for that airport
issued by the U.S. National Weather Service, a source approved by that
Service, or a source approved by the Administrator, reports the
visibility to be equal to or more than the visibility minimums
prescribed for that procedure.

So....he started the approach and discontinued it at the FAF.

So...as he said, the FAA (rules) would not permit him to land under the
existing wx conditions with the tower closed, so he missed the approach
at the FAF.

You and your stupid word games.

Bob Moore

"Bob Moore" wrote in message
. 121...

Ah...Steven....playing with words again?


Never.



One certainly can't land if
he is prohibited from conducting the required Instrument Approach can
he?


Certainly not.



From kstan92's earlier post.....

I looked at the weather history on Weather Underground and PVD reported
visibilities in the 0.1 and 0.2 range around midnight that night, below
the standard ILS minimums for PVD. The Cat II and Cat III approaches
(both to ry 5) are not authorized when the tower is not in operation
according to the U.S. Terminal Procedures for PVD.

Tower not in operation...can't approach...can't approach...can't land.

As far as starting the approach with weather below minimums....sure he
can.....just can't proceed past the final approach fix...

From FAR 121

(b) Except as provided in paragraph (d) of this section, no pilot may
continue an approach past the final approach fix, or where a final
approach fix is not used, begin the final approach segment of an
instrument approach procedure-

(2) At airports within the United States and its territories or at U.S.
military airports, unless the latest weather report for that airport
issued by the U.S. National Weather Service, a source approved by that
Service, or a source approved by the Administrator, reports the
visibility to be equal to or more than the visibility minimums
prescribed for that procedure.

So....he started the approach and discontinued it at the FAF.

So...as he said, the FAA (rules) would not permit him to land under the
existing wx conditions with the tower closed, so he missed the approach
at the FAF.

You and your stupid word games.


What stupid word games? I don't have a former air carrier pilot's viewpoint
on these things, but you do. Please explain to me the purpose in beginning
an approach that cannot be continued beyond the FAF.