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cjcampbell wrote:
As I said, most of these conspiracy buffs are a bunch of holocaust deniers and other enemies of the United States. In a just world they would be tried and hanged as the terrorists and traitors that they are. I differ with you somewhat here. The scenario you describe is dangerously similar not to a just but an intolerant world. We should do everything we can to preserve freedom of everything, speech included, so stifling a dissenting voice is no solution. The best way to beat such people down is with objective, irrefutable evidence although I agree it'd involve the precious time of many. Ramapriya |
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"Skywise" wrote in message
... wrote in news:1147928450.364812.197730 @j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: cjcampbell wrote: As I said, most of these conspiracy buffs are a bunch of holocaust deniers and other enemies of the United States. In a just world they would be tried and hanged as the terrorists and traitors that they are. I differ with you somewhat here. The scenario you describe is dangerously similar not to a just but an intolerant world. We should do everything we can to preserve freedom of everything, speech included, so stifling a dissenting voice is no solution. The best way to beat such people down is with objective, irrefutable evidence although I agree it'd involve the precious time of many. The only problem is that these folks are "true believers". There is nothing you can give them as evidence that would dissuade them from their "truth". CJ is a true believer too, albeit in a different bizarre mythology than that of the conspiracy theorists. But unlike the conspiracy theorists, CJ literally wants to kill people for espousing nonsense that's in competition with his own. CJ rationalizes his bloodlust by asserting that his would-be victims themselves harbor such homicidal desires (they're "terrorists"). But he makes that claim without a shred of evidence, because true believers don't need any. --Gary |
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![]() "Gary Drescher" wrote in message ... "Skywise" wrote in message ... wrote in news:1147928450.364812.197730 @j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: cjcampbell wrote: As I said, most of these conspiracy buffs are a bunch of holocaust deniers and other enemies of the United States. In a just world they would be tried and hanged as the terrorists and traitors that they are. I differ with you somewhat here. The scenario you describe is dangerously similar not to a just but an intolerant world. We should do everything we can to preserve freedom of everything, speech included, so stifling a dissenting voice is no solution. The best way to beat such people down is with objective, irrefutable evidence although I agree it'd involve the precious time of many. The only problem is that these folks are "true believers". There is nothing you can give them as evidence that would dissuade them from their "truth". CJ is a true believer too, albeit in a different bizarre mythology than that of the conspiracy theorists. But unlike the conspiracy theorists, CJ literally wants to kill people for espousing nonsense that's in competition with his own. CJ rationalizes his bloodlust by asserting that his would-be victims themselves harbor such homicidal desires (they're "terrorists"). But he makes that claim without a shred of evidence, because true believers don't need any. --Gary I appreciate your thoughts and your prose. I think you may appreciate this, particularly the quotes of Shaw and Schopenhauer. http://www.rense.com/general70/tjere.htm In this issue there seems to be too many 'experts' refusing to answer valid questions. These 'experts' attempt to use bluster and attacks on character as a substitute for reason. IMHO many are afraid that at least some of the answers may be uncomfortable to prior belief and force the reevaluation of core values. Socrates taught that the pursuit of truth can only begin once they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous The very use of the term 'conspiracy theorists' to denigrate those who dare to question the 'approved' 'conspiracy theory of 19 Arabs with box cutters is an attempt to discredit by attack on character to avoid talking about truth which in this as in all wars is the first casualty. "If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all." -Noam Chomsky |
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In article 1Z4bg.174799$WI1.109727@pd7tw2no, "Private"
wrote: In this issue there seems to be too many 'experts' refusing to answer valid questions. These 'experts' attempt to use bluster and attacks on character as a substitute for reason. IMHO many are afraid that at least some of the answers may be uncomfortable to prior belief and force the reevaluation of core values. [snipperoo] The very use of the term 'conspiracy theorists' to denigrate those who dare to question the 'approved' 'conspiracy theory of 19 Arabs with box cutters is an attempt to discredit by attack on character to avoid talking about truth which in this as in all wars is the first casualty. like the use of term "experts"? -- Bob Noel Looking for a sig the lawyers will hate |
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![]() "Bob Noel" wrote in message ... In article 1Z4bg.174799$WI1.109727@pd7tw2no, "Private" wrote: In this issue there seems to be too many 'experts' refusing to answer valid questions. These 'experts' attempt to use bluster and attacks on character as a substitute for reason. IMHO many are afraid that at least some of the answers may be uncomfortable to prior belief and force the reevaluation of core values. [snipperoo] The very use of the term 'conspiracy theorists' to denigrate those who dare to question the 'approved' 'conspiracy theory of 19 Arabs with box cutters is an attempt to discredit by attack on character to avoid talking about truth which in this as in all wars is the first casualty. like the use of term "experts"? touché - valid point |
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![]() "Skywise" wrote in message ... The only problem is that these folks are "true believers". There is nothing you can give them as evidence that would dissuade them from their "truth". They could be claiming the sky is fuscia and even if you tape their eyelids open and force them to look at a brilliant blue sky, they will find some way to say it's part of the conspiracy and dismiss the evidence. It's the whole science/pseudoscience problem. What you just described is a good assessment of _faith_. |
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![]() wrote in message oups.com... cjcampbell wrote: As I said, most of these conspiracy buffs are a bunch of holocaust deniers and other enemies of the United States. In a just world they would be tried and hanged as the terrorists and traitors that they are. I differ with you somewhat here. The scenario you describe is dangerously similar not to a just but an intolerant world. We should do everything we can to preserve freedom of everything, speech included, so stifling a dissenting voice is no solution. The best way to beat such people down is with objective, irrefutable evidence although I agree it'd involve the precious time of many. That would only convince a few on the margin. Conspiracy nuts are not rational people. Some get a kick out of messing with peoples heads. Some are just seeking attention like kids being obnoxious. Some are just basket cases. Rather than suppress them, the best way is to let them speak. The overwhelming majority of the time they refute themselves. The trick is: don't respond to them directly; instead address the audience in general. Convince the rational, don't waste time with the irrational. Remember that reason only works with reasonable people. |
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