Busted TFR, what to expect?

"Bob Fry" wrote

Maybe they could reserve a frequency just to broadcast important area
NOTAMs. Pilots would get in the habit of checking it before takeoff
and during flight. Maybe area NOTAMs could be added on to AWOS
broadcasts. Something?

I've often wondered why they do not use AWOS. It would take all of 5 or 10
seconds to announce a NOTAM, or at least tell of one's existence.

Yes, checking before departure is a "good thing" but there are always
NOTAM's that pop up while you are in the air.
--
Jim in NC

No one around to update the AWOS. That happens only once in a great
while. The weather part of the AWOS is talked automatically by machine,
so no one HAS to be there to update it. The "other" part of AWOS is
usually updated by someone like the airport manager, who doesn't want
to mess with it except every few months.

"Morgans" wrote in message
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I've often wondered why they do not use AWOS. It would take all of 5 or
10 seconds to announce a NOTAM, or at least tell of one's existence.

It would take well over 10 seconds to describe just one NOTAM of any
complexity, never mind all of the NOTAMs that might be applicable to a
flight within radio range of the AWOS. And noting a NOTAM's existence
without describing it isn't useful...there are always NOTAMs.

Yes, checking before departure is a "good thing" but there are always
NOTAM's that pop up while you are in the air.

That possibility does always exist, yes. But it's a relatively infrequent
occurrence. Nearly all of the time, a NOTAM that might become effective
during the flight is published prior to the commencement of the flight, even
if only by hours.

But even if NOTAMs appearing after one departs but becoming effective prior
to one landing was anything other than the very remote possibility it is
now, there's no practical way to disseminate all applicable NOTAMs via
frequencies already in use, such as AWOS, ATIS, automated UNICOMs, or ATC
frequencies.

Pete

"Peter Duniho" wrote

But even if NOTAMs appearing after one departs but becoming effective
prior to one landing was anything other than the very remote possibility
it is now, there's no practical way to disseminate all applicable NOTAMs
via frequencies already in use, such as AWOS, ATIS, automated UNICOMs, or
ATC frequencies.

I was thinking of something along the lines of a quick description, such as
" --- centered on ---" then, "tune to blah blah blah for further
information."

If you had already done your homework, then the quick description would tell
you already knew about it, then you could ignore the tuning somewhere else
part. If it was something new that you were not aware of, then you could
check it out.

Just another idea. It does seem like some people do their best to find out,
but due to delays, or time to get to the airport, or pop ups, they still get
caught.

Granted, it is a much higher percentage of busted notices, because of total
failure to attempt to get the information.
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message
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I was thinking of something along the lines of a quick description, such
as " --- centered on ---" then, "tune to blah blah blah for further
information."

You seem to be underestimating the number of NOTAMs that are generally
active at any given time. We're not just talking TFRs. There are lots of
other kinds of NOTAMs that a pilot may need to know about, and if a
dissemenation system is going to be set up on the radio frequencies, they
all need to be included.

If you had already done your homework, then the quick description would
tell you already knew about it, then you could ignore the tuning somewhere
else part. If it was something new that you were not aware of, then you
could check it out.

If you had already done your homework, you wouldn't need to hear about the
TFR on the radio.

Just another idea. It does seem like some people do their best to find
out, but due to delays, or time to get to the airport, or pop ups, they
still get caught.

There really just aren't that many NOTAMs that pop up at the last minute,
even TFRs. Most of the TFR violations are pilots who simply didn't bother
to get the available information.

Granted, it is a much higher percentage of busted notices, because of
total failure to attempt to get the information.

If you mean that most violations are due to failure to get the available
information, then yes...agreed.

Pete