Careless Linemen

Another reason not to live in New Jersey.


"Jonathan Simpson" wrote in message
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| Ron Natalie wrote:
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| Jessica wrote:
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| karl gruber wrote:
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| Actually, in Oregon, it IS against the law to fuel
your own airplane.
| Can't fuel your own car either.
|
|
| Heh, even in New Jersey (no self service at service
stations) you can
| fuel your own airplane, and the marina "line man" will
hand you the
| nozzle to fill your boat too. Go figure.
|
| The only exception to the self service for road
vehicles that I've
| found in NJ is the base gase station at McGuire.
|
|
| That's because the airports and the marinas weren't the
one that got
| that law put in placed. Despite the bogus claims of
safety, the
| reason the law exists is because the small gas station
owners banded
| together with enough political clout to stave off the
single
| employee mega gas and go that they feared would put them
out of business.
|
| Another weak attempt (this time by the NJ governor) was
just made last
| month to permit self serve filling stations in New Jersey.
I think it
| was just a trial program for the NJ Turnpike Authority
roads' service
| plazas. The politicians/governor backed down from this
revolutionary
| idea after they claimed to receive a large number of
complaints from the
| electorate who don't like to pump their gas. Others said
that NJ
| drivers are too stupid to pump their gas because they
aren't used to it
| and they could all blow themselves up. (I guess a large
number of NJ
| people who have cars never leave more than a tank's
distance from the
| small garden state---or are they admitting that full serve
IS available
| elsewhere?)
|
| Apparently some believe that self serve / full serve are
mutually
| exclusive and that permitting self serve would cause all
"full" service
| to disappear. (Funny, plenty of stations around me (not
in NJ nor OR)
| offer "full" service and some focus on it exclusively.)
Anyway I still
| hate getting gas in that state because a lot of the time I
have to wait
| for the attendant to get off the cellphone with his
girlfriend,
| encounter difficulties with communicating the complex
expression, "fill
| up with regular gas, please," and then am treated with
continuous
| attempts to top-off/overfill the tank/destroy my evap
emissions
| canister, followed by gas running down my car's paint as
the nozzle is
| removed.
|
| Pay at the pump is still a novelty item in NJ and often if
you want to
| use plastic you will have to wait for the attendant to
come to you after
| pumping, get your card, run off to the register/card
skimmer, help some
| other customers, talk to the girlfriend, come back for
signature, etc.
| If you are lucky to have pay at the pump, you can't use
the dangerous
| pump device so you will still have to give the card in
advance to the
| pumper and maybe they will give it right back to you or
maybe they will
| keep it on top of the pump for safekeeping during your
tank filling.
|
| The only thing that is keeping the system afloat is NJ's
low gas tax so
| that their full serve appears cheaper, but in reality it
costs more
| after adjusting the gas tax difference.
|
| And you thought the FBO's lineman could be bad....

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Jim Macklin wrote:

Another reason not to live in New Jersey.

Or Oregon, same deal there with respect to full serve gasoline.

At least in Oregon the Second Amendment and other civil
rights are still in effect. But self-serve gas was a
technological problem until they invented the modern
electric fuel pump, about 1945. Before that you had to pump
a measured amount of fuel into the graduated glass
reservoir, which was then drained into the vehicle. Today's
modern, computer controlled pumps are a wonder of design.
BTW, do either NJ or OR require any special training in fire
safety, hazardous materials, plumbing or auto-mechanics and
do they certify and license "gas pump jockey's?"


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| Jim Macklin wrote:
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| Another reason not to live in New Jersey.
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| Or Oregon, same deal there with respect to full serve
gasoline.

Jonathan Simpson wrote in news:ZcednduRVs1KK-
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Jim Macklin wrote:

Another reason not to live in New Jersey.

Or Oregon, same deal there with respect to full serve gasoline.


What happens if you insist on pumping the gas yourself?

There is no way I'd trust someone else to put gas into
my Harley. The technique required is similar to what I've
been reading of late for filling airplanes.

Brian
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Skywise wrote:
Jonathan Simpson wrote in news:ZcednduRVs1KK-
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Jim Macklin wrote:


Another reason not to live in New Jersey.

Or Oregon, same deal there with respect to full serve gasoline.



What happens if you insist on pumping the gas yourself?

There is no way I'd trust someone else to put gas into
my Harley. The technique required is similar to what I've
been reading of late for filling airplanes.

The response varies. Apparently they can get fined for allowing
non-Professional Dispensing Engineers to touch the gasoline pumping
machine apparatus. Attempting to do so can get you a very stern warning
or shout followed by who-knows-what. If the professional dispensing
engineer doesn't see you (not likely) or just doesn't give a damn you
may be in better luck. It's particularly frustrating when you just want
to fill a portable can and not have someone spill the gasoline you are
paying for all over the place.

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Jonathan Simpson wrote:

The response varies. Apparently they can get fined for allowing
non-Professional Dispensing Engineers to touch the gasoline pumping
machine apparatus. Attempting to do so can get you a very stern warning
or shout followed by who-knows-what. If the professional dispensing
engineer doesn't see you (not likely) or just doesn't give a damn you
may be in better luck. It's particularly frustrating when you just want
to fill a portable can and not have someone spill the gasoline you are
paying for all over the place.

I was in NJ the other day, and was happy to take advantage of the $0.25/gal
cheaper gas prices compared to NY, while the PDE got his hands dirty
instead of me.

What I really don't understand is the sign they had about filling cans. I
don't remember the exact wording, but it essentially said you can only
dispense gasoline into an approved metal container OR a container that's
red. So, as long as the container is red, it doesn't need to be approved?
I can drive up with a sheep's bladder or a hollowed-out gourd and fill that
with gas, as long as it's painted red? And I let the PDE do the
dispensing, of course.

What happens in New Jersey or Oregon if you land an airplane after
hours and need to refuel? No good?

My aieport (77S, Creswell, OR) is all self serve. The silly car law to
which you refer does not apply to aircraft here.

Ben Hallert, PP-ASEL

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Skywise wrote:
Jonathan Simpson wrote in
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Jim Macklin wrote:


Another reason not to live in New Jersey.

Or Oregon, same deal there with respect to full serve gasoline.



What happens if you insist on pumping the gas yourself?

There is no way I'd trust someone else to put gas into
my Harley. The technique required is similar to what I've
been reading of late for filling airplanes.

The response varies. Apparently they can get fined for allowing
non-Professional Dispensing Engineers to touch the gasoline pumping
machine apparatus. Attempting to do so can get you a very stern warning
or shout followed by who-knows-what. If the professional dispensing
engineer doesn't see you (not likely) or just doesn't give a damn you
may be in better luck. It's particularly frustrating when you just want
to fill a portable can and not have someone spill the gasoline you are
paying for all over the place.

Interesting. The way the tank on my bike is designed you can't
shove the nozzle in very far. But even so, if you do shove it
in, the nozzle's automatic shut-off will trip long before the
tank is full, since you basically have the nozzle IN the tank.
Here in the Mexicican occupied Republik of Kalifornia we also
have vapor trap shrouds around the nozzle. I have to manually
pull the shroud back to get the gas to dispense. The shroud
has to be pushed back far enough to let the gas flow. Just
shoving the nozzle into my tank doesn't push it back far enough.

For those that know Harleys, I have an '86 Sporster 883 with the
stock peanut tank.

Since I'm not planning on riding my bike through Oregon on Jersy
any time soon, I guess I don't need to worry about. But it'd
be fun to test them on it anyway.

Brian
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