First IFR flight after checkride

But instead
of picking up our clearance in the air, we made the small mistake of waiting
for it on the ground. We waited almost 10 minutes at the hold line with the
Hobbs turning like a dervish, and were just about to call and say we'd be
departing VFR and pick up the clearance later, when they called us. Lesson
learned.


My first flight (I think it was my first) after getting my rating was a CAVU
day out of TEB, but I filed IFR for practice in the system(which my instructor
encouraged me to do). We waited ONE HOUR at the hold line in an Arrow.

Lesson learned.

Jose

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In article ,
Teacherjh wrote:

My first flight (I think it was my first) after getting my rating was a CAVU
day out of TEB, but I filed IFR for practice in the system(which my instructor
encouraged me to do). We waited ONE HOUR at the hold line in an Arrow.

One of my first IFR flights after I got my rating had me holding short of
27R at OAK for about 25 minutes. I was sure glad I was only paying for
enough gas to idle the engine instead of $100+/hr.

Of course at my present rate it will be many years before the cost of
the instrument rating, amortized over all the subsequent hours of actual
and number of approaches, falls below $absurd/hr. Today I racked up all
of .1 flying over a bunch of layers in western Washington -- and if I'd
been VFR I could have just descended about 15 miles sooner through a
giant hole in the clouds. On the other hand, without the rating I
probably would have stayed another night or tried to go underneath the
whole way.

--
Ben Jackson

http://www.ben.com/

Teacherjh wrote:

My first flight (I think it was my first) after getting my rating was a
CAVU day out of TEB, but I filed IFR for practice in the system(which my
instructor
encouraged me to do). We waited ONE HOUR at the hold line in an Arrow.

Lesson learned.

Well, that's TEB. I did the same thing out of CDW when I first got my
rating, and was out in not completely unreasonable time.

I've had no luck IFRing out of Linden, though. The one time I tried, I was
calling and calling and calling for Newark from the ramp. When they'd
finally answered, we'd passed the time by which we'd have had to depart to
make our schedule. So we simply took off and picked up a new clearance in
the air to a closer destination.

My friend ended up late to work anyway, but I only feel 50% guilty because
he wasn't exactly rushing to depart for our return to Linden grin.

- Andrew

A word of warning about picking up clearances in the air. There have
been some accidents where a plane was circling low while waiting for
his clearance. There have also been some violations for penetrating
the clouds before the clearance is received. You need to have an "out"
in case you cannot pick up your clearance quickly. Like the ability to
fly under the ceiling safely, or return to the airport. ATC is under
no obligation to clear you immediately upon request. I myself have
gotten into some funky situations trying to pick up an IFR clearance,
under a low cloud deck. ATC doesn't always do it "right" or convenient
to you. If it is working for you, fine, but you need to think about
these things. Most scheduled service have op specs against picking up
IFR cleanance in the air for the above reasons (and probably others I
haven't thought of). Don't get casual about it. I for one won't do it
unless I can proceed VFR to the next airport on my route. I choose to
get void time. I"ll admit, sometimes I have had to wait, but it is
rare and at least I am waiting on the ground, not in the air.

Andrew Gideon wrote in message gonline.com...
Teacherjh wrote:

My first flight (I think it was my first) after getting my rating was a
CAVU day out of TEB, but I filed IFR for practice in the system(which my
instructor
encouraged me to do). We waited ONE HOUR at the hold line in an Arrow.

Lesson learned.

Well, that's TEB. I did the same thing out of CDW when I first got my
rating, and was out in not completely unreasonable time.

I've had no luck IFRing out of Linden, though. The one time I tried, I was
calling and calling and calling for Newark from the ramp. When they'd
finally answered, we'd passed the time by which we'd have had to depart to
make our schedule. So we simply took off and picked up a new clearance in
the air to a closer destination.

My friend ended up late to work anyway, but I only feel 50% guilty because
he wasn't exactly rushing to depart for our return to Linden grin.

- Andrew

On 8/23/04 4:54 PM, in article
, "Doug"
wrote:

A word of warning about picking up clearances in the air. There have
been some accidents where a plane was circling low while waiting for
his clearance. There have also been some violations for penetrating
the clouds before the clearance is received. You need to have an "out"
in case you cannot pick up your clearance quickly. Like the ability to
fly under the ceiling safely, or return to the airport. ATC is under
no obligation to clear you immediately upon request. I myself have
gotten into some funky situations trying to pick up an IFR clearance,
under a low cloud deck. ATC doesn't always do it "right" or convenient
to you. If it is working for you, fine, but you need to think about
these things. Most scheduled service have op specs against picking up
IFR cleanance in the air for the above reasons (and probably others I
haven't thought of). Don't get casual about it. I for one won't do it
unless I can proceed VFR to the next airport on my route. I choose to
get void time. I"ll admit, sometimes I have had to wait, but it is
rare and at least I am waiting on the ground, not in the air.


Noted.
We could have gotten home VFR with little problem although it was pretty
hazy. But I'm going to make a habit of filing for almost every flight,
especially since I have a new ticket, and flying out of an uncontrolled
field, I need as much practice talking to ATC as possible.
--
Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino
Cartoons with a Touch of Magic�
www.wizardofdraws.com
www.cartoonclipart.com

In article ,
(Doug) writes:

Don't get casual about it. I for one won't do it
unless I can proceed VFR to the next airport on my route. I choose to
get void time. I"ll admit, sometimes I have had to wait, but it is
rare and at least I am waiting on the ground, not in the air.


The problem I experience with void times is that when you want one so does
everyone else. So you get the "all briefers are busy" and wait and wait and
wait. Maybe I'm not doing it right. I call FSS and get the void time from
them after they get it from ???. Is there a better way?

Chuck

The problem I experience with void times is that when you want one so does
everyone else. So you get the "all briefers are busy" and wait and wait and
wait. Maybe I'm not doing it right. I call FSS and get the void time from
them after they get it from ???. Is there a better way?

Where I live, there's a clearance delivery phone number that's different from
the WX-BRIEF number. Not sure that's true everywhere, though. Never had the "all
briefers are busy" message on the clearance delivery line.

In article , Dave Butler
writes:

Where I live, there's a clearance delivery phone number that's different from

the WX-BRIEF number. Not sure that's true everywhere, though. Never had the
"all
briefers are busy" message on the clearance delivery line.

Interesting, Dave. I scaned the 250 airports listed in Airguide Flight Guide
for Ohio and found only one (MGY) that had a phone number for DEL. Many of the
ASOS/AWOS have a phone number as well as a frequency but not DEL. What is your
airport? I'd like to see if it is listed in Airguide.

Chuck

PaulaJay1 wrote:
In article , Dave Butler
writes:


Where I live, there's a clearance delivery phone number that's different from

the WX-BRIEF number. Not sure that's true everywhere, though. Never had the
"all
briefers are busy" message on the clearance delivery line.


Interesting, Dave. I scaned the 250 airports listed in Airguide Flight Guide
for Ohio and found only one (MGY) that had a phone number for DEL. Many of the
ASOS/AWOS have a phone number as well as a frequency but not DEL. What is your
airport? I'd like to see if it is listed in Airguide.

RDU. The statewide clearance delivery phone number for North Carolina is
800-548-3196.

Some of the clearance delivery numbers seem to be at
http://flighttraining.aopa.org/membe...g/pdfs/fss.pdf

(PaulaJay1) wrote in message ...
In article , Dave Butler
writes:

Where I live, there's a clearance delivery phone number that's different from

the WX-BRIEF number. Not sure that's true everywhere, though. Never had the
"all
briefers are busy" message on the clearance delivery line.

Interesting, Dave. I scaned the 250 airports listed in Airguide Flight Guide
for Ohio and found only one (MGY) that had a phone number for DEL. Many of the
ASOS/AWOS have a phone number as well as a frequency but not DEL. What is your
airport? I'd like to see if it is listed in Airguide.

Chuck


They are in the AF/D in the section "FAA and NWS Phone Numbers". In
the south-central region (SC) there seems to be one for almost every
FSS....

Don't stop when you get to the TAF and METAR decoding pages
however--for some bizarre reason (in the SC volume at least) those are
thrown in there before the rest of the phone numbers of the ATRCCs,
TRACONS, and many Airports for the region. It's easy to miss and
there is NOT a separate entry in the table of contents page. I would
like to hear if other volumes do or do not have the same goofiness...

Cheers,
John Clonts
Temple, Texas
N7NZ