Those *dangerous* Korean War relics

Gary Drescher wrote:

"Skywise" wrote in message
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Somewhere along the line in the past one of our ancesters
probably killed someone in cold blood. So, since you, me,
and anyone else probably benefitted from this murder, then
we should report to the nearest gallows to await our hanging.


You apparently fail to grasp the distinction between punishment (which no
one in this debate advocates) and civil reparation (returning something to
its rightful owner).

And who determines the rightful owner?

Matt

"Gary Drescher" wrote in
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"Skywise" wrote in message
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Somewhere along the line in the past one of our ancesters
probably killed someone in cold blood. So, since you, me,
and anyone else probably benefitted from this murder, then
we should report to the nearest gallows to await our hanging.

You apparently fail to grasp the distinction between punishment (which no
one in this debate advocates) and civil reparation (returning something to
its rightful owner).

Ahhh...ok...then that means we have to give all the black people
back to their African home nations?

Brian
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"Skywise" wrote in message
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in
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"Skywise" wrote in message
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Somewhere along the line in the past one of our ancesters
probably killed someone in cold blood. So, since you, me,
and anyone else probably benefitted from this murder, then
we should report to the nearest gallows to await our hanging.

You apparently fail to grasp the distinction between punishment (which no
one in this debate advocates) and civil reparation (returning something
to
its rightful owner).

Ahhh...ok...then that means we have to give all the black people
back to their African home nations?

That only follows if you regard black people as property (and your comment
suggests you do).

--Gary

"Gary Drescher" wrote in
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"Skywise" wrote in message
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in
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"Skywise" wrote in message
...
Somewhere along the line in the past one of our ancesters
probably killed someone in cold blood. So, since you, me,
and anyone else probably benefitted from this murder, then
we should report to the nearest gallows to await our hanging.

You apparently fail to grasp the distinction between punishment (which no
one in this debate advocates) and civil reparation (returning something
to
its rightful owner).

Ahhh...ok...then that means we have to give all the black people
back to their African home nations?

That only follows if you regard black people as property (and your comment
suggests you do).

I see I forgot to add a to my comment. I was being rhetorical.

Brian
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http://www.skywise711.com - Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism
Seismic FAQ: http://www.skywise711.com/SeismicFAQ/SeismicFAQ.html
Quake "predictions": http://www.skywise711.com/quakes/EQDB/index.html
Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes?

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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You apparently fail to grasp the distinction between punishment (which no
one in this debate advocates) and civil reparation (returning something to
its rightful owner).


In the case of reparations for slavery, assuming the "rightful owners" were
not all dead, what is it that would be returned to them?

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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You apparently fail to grasp the distinction between punishment (which no
one in this debate advocates) and civil reparation (returning something to
its rightful owner).


In the case of reparations for slavery, assuming the "rightful owners" were
not all dead, what is it that would be returned to them?

Money.

In a civil action if the wronged party has lost a limb, a family
member,
or property that is now unrecoverable, they receive monetary
compensation instead.

--

FF

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Money.


What money did the slaves have?

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
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Money.


What money did the slaves have?

Frederick Douglass and other slaves who worked for wages
had the money they earned, which was turned over to their
owners.

Those who worked for their owners and were not paid wages
would be compensated for the market value of their labor.

Perhaps you are hung up on pedantry turning on the use
of 'returned'. What was taken from them was labor, what
ostensibly would be returned would be money equivalent to
the market value of that labor.

An alternative proposal (from the TV show _The West Wing_)
is to 'return' the value of their labor via income tax credits, also
impractical, IMHO.

--

FF

Gary Drescher wrote:

"Skywise" wrote in message
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I'll second that. I'm sick and tired of the descendents of
the slaves demanding recompense (in whatever form) from the
descendents of the slave owners. Were you personally enslaved?
Were you personally a slave owner? I thought not.


Have you directly or indirectly inherited some of the wealth that the slave
owners stole from the black population? Thought so.

And both the blacks and the whites stole it from the native Americans,
so if anyone is owed compensation.... :-)


Matt

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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Gary Drescher wrote:

"Skywise" wrote in message
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I'll second that. I'm sick and tired of the descendents of
the slaves demanding recompense (in whatever form) from the
descendents of the slave owners. Were you personally enslaved?
Were you personally a slave owner? I thought not.


Have you directly or indirectly inherited some of the wealth that the
slave owners stole from the black population? Thought so.

And both the blacks and the whites stole it from the native Americans, so
if anyone is owed compensation.... :-)

And they stole it from...