Those *dangerous* Korean War relics

"Bob Noel" wrote in message
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btw - of course you can sue. Whether there would be justise in you
winning is a different matter.

If your father had stolen my father's car and you inherited it, wouldn't it
be just for me to recover it from you?

When does the chain break?

When the car is returned to its rightful owners.

--Gary

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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"Bob Noel" wrote in message
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btw - of course you can sue. Whether there would be justise in you
winning is a different matter.

If your father had stolen my father's car and you inherited it, wouldn't
it be just for me to recover it from you?

That car is at least 140 years old. Get over it.

When does the chain break?

When the car is returned to its rightful owners.

--Gary

In article ,
"Gary Drescher" wrote:

If your father had stolen my father's car and you inherited it, wouldn't it
be just for me to recover it from you?

If I am innocent, why would it be just to punish me?

The harm was done to your father by my father. You have no
right to punish me.



When does the chain break?

When the car is returned to its rightful owners.

see above.

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

"Bob Noel" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Gary Drescher" wrote:

If your father had stolen my father's car and you inherited it, wouldn't
it
be just for me to recover it from you?

If I am innocent, why would it be just to punish me?

It would not. That's why I didn't suggest it. (For example, I did not
suggest that you be imprisoned for the theft; *that* would be an appropriate
punishment for whoever is guilty of the theft.)

Seeking to return stolen property to its rightful owner is not legally or
morally the same as seeking to punish whoever had received the stolen
property, innocently or not. (Of course, if you knew or had reason to know
that it was stolen, then you're not so innocent at all.)

--Gary

"Gary Drescher" wrote in
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"Bob Noel" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Gary Drescher" wrote:

If your father had stolen my father's car and you inherited it,
wouldn't it
be just for me to recover it from you?

If I am innocent, why would it be just to punish me?

It would not. That's why I didn't suggest it. (For example, I did not
suggest that you be imprisoned for the theft; *that* would be an
appropriate punishment for whoever is guilty of the theft.)

Seeking to return stolen property to its rightful owner is not legally
or morally the same as seeking to punish whoever had received the stolen
property, innocently or not. (Of course, if you knew or had reason to
know that it was stolen, then you're not so innocent at all.)

--Gary

Returning stolen property to it's rightful owner is one thing. But
we are talking about you and me today paying blacks of today some
sort of punitive reparations for what happened over a hundred years
ago by people and to people who are long dead.

Brian
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"Skywise" wrote in message
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Returning stolen property to it's rightful owner is one thing. But
we are talking about you and me today paying blacks of today some
sort of punitive reparations for what happened over a hundred years
ago by people and to people who are long dead.

Who is talking about *punitive* reparations?

--Gary

"Gary Drescher" wrote in
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"Skywise" wrote in message
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Returning stolen property to it's rightful owner is one thing. But
we are talking about you and me today paying blacks of today some
sort of punitive reparations for what happened over a hundred years
ago by people and to people who are long dead.

Who is talking about *punitive* reparations?

I was, from the very first post I made in this thread. It
now appears our whole argument is based on your misreading
of my post. Or is this one of those arguments where one
side keeps changing the subject of what's being argued
over? The ol' "moving the goalposts" problem. I rather
suspect it is and have no further desire to continue the
discussion.

For your reference, here's the text of the post I made in
response to a comment made by Jim Macklin,

"Jim Macklin" wrote in
news:UEpgg.26071$ZW3.17560@dukeread04:

Snipola
Laws change, society changes, hopefully for the better. We
should remember the past, so we don't continue to make the
same mistakes, but we must get over the anger and personal
feelings about what happened 50, 100, 150, 500, 2000 years
ago.

I'll second that. I'm sick and tired of the descendents of
the slaves demanding recompense (in whatever form) from the
descendents of the slave owners. Were you personally enslaved?
Were you personally a slave owner? I thought not. Remember the
past, yes, but get over it.

Brian
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"Skywise" wrote in message
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in
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Who is talking about *punitive* reparations?

I was, from the very first post I made in this thread. It
now appears our whole argument is based on your misreading
of my post.

No, it's apparently based on your own misreading of your own post. Nothing
in your original post referred to *punitive* reparations.

More importantly, no significant participant in the national debate (to my
knowledge) has ever advocated *punitive* reparations, so if would make no
sense for you to be "sick and tired" of such "demands". (And by the way,
since no one here had been advocating any sort of reparation until you
brought it up, it was a peculiar complaint for you to issue here in the
first place.)

For your reference, here's the text of your orginal post:

I'll second that. I'm sick and tired of the descendents of
the slaves demanding recompense (in whatever form) from the
descendents of the slave owners. Were you personally enslaved?
Were you personally a slave owner? I thought not. Remember the
past, yes, but get over it.

See? No mention of *punitive* recompense, just "recompense". There is a
clear legal and moral distinction between compensation and "punitive
damages", with entirely different criteria for when each is warranted.

--Gary

"Skywise" wrote in message
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in
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Returning stolen property to it's rightful owner is one thing. But
we are talking about you and me today paying blacks of today some
sort of punitive reparations for what happened over a hundred years
ago by people and to people who are long dead.


Don't try using rationality on an irrational dupe.

"Matt Barrow" wrote in news:OGWgg.8$yy2.2877
@news.uswest.net:


"Skywise" wrote in message
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in
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Returning stolen property to it's rightful owner is one thing. But
we are talking about you and me today paying blacks of today some
sort of punitive reparations for what happened over a hundred years
ago by people and to people who are long dead.


Don't try using rationality on an irrational dupe.

Yes, that's becoming clear to me in this case.

Brian
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