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Old June 4th 06, 05:14 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in
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I'll second that. I'm sick and tired of the descendents of
the slaves demanding recompense (in whatever form) from the
descendents of the slave owners. Were you personally enslaved?
Were you personally a slave owner? I thought not.


Have you directly or indirectly inherited some of the wealth that the slave
owners stole from the black population? Thought so.


Oh! This logic is just incredible!

Somewhere along the line in the past one of our ancesters
probably killed someone in cold blood. So, since you, me,
and anyone else probably benefitted from this murder, then
we should report to the nearest gallows to await our hanging.
Or, if you'd prefer, we can mutually blow each others brains
out in a suicide pact to repay for the murder commited by our
ancestors.

I did not enslave anyone. For that matter, none of my recent
ancesters did either, for they didn't even arrive in America
until after slavery was abolished. So how can I possibly be
responsible for the slavery of blacks in America?

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Old June 4th 06, 05:21 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Skywise" wrote in message
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Somewhere along the line in the past one of our ancesters
probably killed someone in cold blood. So, since you, me,
and anyone else probably benefitted from this murder, then
we should report to the nearest gallows to await our hanging.


You apparently fail to grasp the distinction between punishment (which no
one in this debate advocates) and civil reparation (returning something to
its rightful owner).

...So how can I possibly be
responsible for the slavery of blacks in America?


No one ever suggested you were. (See the above distinction.)

--Gary


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Old June 5th 06, 12:52 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Gary Drescher wrote:

"Skywise" wrote in message
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Somewhere along the line in the past one of our ancesters
probably killed someone in cold blood. So, since you, me,
and anyone else probably benefitted from this murder, then
we should report to the nearest gallows to await our hanging.



You apparently fail to grasp the distinction between punishment (which no
one in this debate advocates) and civil reparation (returning something to
its rightful owner).


And who determines the rightful owner?

Matt
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Old June 5th 06, 05:10 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in
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"Skywise" wrote in message
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Somewhere along the line in the past one of our ancesters
probably killed someone in cold blood. So, since you, me,
and anyone else probably benefitted from this murder, then
we should report to the nearest gallows to await our hanging.


You apparently fail to grasp the distinction between punishment (which no
one in this debate advocates) and civil reparation (returning something to
its rightful owner).


Ahhh...ok...then that means we have to give all the black people
back to their African home nations?

Brian
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Old June 5th 06, 01:52 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Skywise" wrote in message
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in
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"Skywise" wrote in message
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Somewhere along the line in the past one of our ancesters
probably killed someone in cold blood. So, since you, me,
and anyone else probably benefitted from this murder, then
we should report to the nearest gallows to await our hanging.


You apparently fail to grasp the distinction between punishment (which no
one in this debate advocates) and civil reparation (returning something
to
its rightful owner).


Ahhh...ok...then that means we have to give all the black people
back to their African home nations?


That only follows if you regard black people as property (and your comment
suggests you do).

--Gary


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Old June 5th 06, 09:26 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in
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"Skywise" wrote in message
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in
:

"Skywise" wrote in message
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Somewhere along the line in the past one of our ancesters
probably killed someone in cold blood. So, since you, me,
and anyone else probably benefitted from this murder, then
we should report to the nearest gallows to await our hanging.

You apparently fail to grasp the distinction between punishment (which no
one in this debate advocates) and civil reparation (returning something
to
its rightful owner).


Ahhh...ok...then that means we have to give all the black people
back to their African home nations?


That only follows if you regard black people as property (and your comment
suggests you do).


I see I forgot to add a to my comment. I was being rhetorical.

Brian
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Seismic FAQ: http://www.skywise711.com/SeismicFAQ/SeismicFAQ.html
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Old June 6th 06, 06:40 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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You apparently fail to grasp the distinction between punishment (which no
one in this debate advocates) and civil reparation (returning something to
its rightful owner).


In the case of reparations for slavery, assuming the "rightful owners" were
not all dead, what is it that would be returned to them?


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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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You apparently fail to grasp the distinction between punishment (which no
one in this debate advocates) and civil reparation (returning something to
its rightful owner).


In the case of reparations for slavery, assuming the "rightful owners" were
not all dead, what is it that would be returned to them?


Money.

In a civil action if the wronged party has lost a limb, a family
member,
or property that is now unrecoverable, they receive monetary
compensation instead.

--

FF

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Old June 12th 06, 03:48 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Money.


What money did the slaves have?


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Old June 12th 06, 04:21 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
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Money.


What money did the slaves have?


Frederick Douglass and other slaves who worked for wages
had the money they earned, which was turned over to their
owners.

Those who worked for their owners and were not paid wages
would be compensated for the market value of their labor.

Perhaps you are hung up on pedantry turning on the use
of 'returned'. What was taken from them was labor, what
ostensibly would be returned would be money equivalent to
the market value of that labor.

An alternative proposal (from the TV show _The West Wing_)
is to 'return' the value of their labor via income tax credits, also
impractical, IMHO.

--

FF

 




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