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Matt Whiting wrote:
Gig 601XL Builder wrote:

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just as they stole Africans to use as slaves.


Matt


Actually the Americans bought the slaves. In many cases from Africans.

I said Europeans, not Americans. The Americans may have bought them,
but they were still buying stolen (kidnapped) "goods."

I believe most of the slave traders were European, but I'm sure some
enterprising Africans got into the action as well.


In Africa the traders were mostly African. A number of Americans
sailed the 'slave triangle'. They would take slaves from Africa to
the Southern US or (maybe) the Carribean, take cotton, tobacco
or mollases to New England, and then take manufactured goods
to Africa.

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Matt Whiting wrote:
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just as they stole Africans to use as slaves.


Matt


Actually the Americans bought the slaves. In many cases from Africans.

I said Europeans, not Americans. The Americans may have bought them,
but they were still buying stolen (kidnapped) "goods."

I believe most of the slave traders were European, but I'm sure some
enterprising Africans got into the action as well.


In Africa the traders were mostly African. A number of Americans
sailed the 'slave triangle'. They would take slaves from Africa to
the Southern US or (maybe) the Carribean, take cotton, tobacco
or mollases to New England, and then take manufactured goods
to Africa.


So the Americans were basically the customers and the UPS of the day.

And to the parent post that said, "they were still buying stolen (kidnapped)
"goods." "Stolen" is a legal term. At the time there wasn't a law against
the slave trade so they weren't stolen they were bought and sold in
accordance with the law of the time.

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net wrote in message
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And to the parent post that said, "they were still buying stolen
(kidnapped) "goods." "Stolen" is a legal term. At the time there wasn't a
law against the slave trade so they weren't stolen they were bought and
sold in accordance with the law of the time.

"Stolen" is a moral as well as legal term. Legalized theft can still
constitute stealing, in the moral sense.

--Gary

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net wrote in message
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And to the parent post that said, "they were still buying stolen
(kidnapped) "goods." "Stolen" is a legal term. At the time there wasn't a
law against the slave trade so they weren't stolen they were bought and
sold in accordance with the law of the time.

"Stolen" is a moral as well as legal term. Legalized theft can still
constitute stealing, in the moral sense.


But this thread is suggesting a legal remedy. If we are going to get money
and lawyers involved we have to stick to the legal use of the term.

If we are talking about the moral issues a heart felt apology should be
enough.

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net wrote in message
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net wrote in message
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And to the parent post that said, "they were still buying stolen
(kidnapped) "goods." "Stolen" is a legal term. At the time there wasn't
a law against the slave trade so they weren't stolen they were bought
and sold in accordance with the law of the time.

"Stolen" is a moral as well as legal term. Legalized theft can still
constitute stealing, in the moral sense.

But this thread is suggesting a legal remedy. If we are going to get money
and lawyers involved we have to stick to the legal use of the term.

Why? That seems like an arbitrary and unmotivated rule restricting a
discussion that involves both moral and legal issues. We should be able to
use any sense of any term we want, as long as it's clear what sense we're
using (as long as it's clear that we are not referring to a violation of the
then-current property laws).

If you prefer to use another term instead, such as "immorally taken", that's
fine. No substantive question is affected by the choice of terminology.

--Gary